Banjo Bolts..Stock or Aftermarket????????

I nee to know if my stock banjo bolts will work with a Galfer SS brake line I purchased or do I need to get a set of bolts and washers from Galfer

front or rear?

The washers are a one time use item.

front or rear?
Rear line. Is the dealer the only place I can get those washers?

You really should use the Galfer items.

You really should use the Galfer items.

I was thinking the same thing. I'll order a set from cyclebrakes.

The aluminum washers from Galfer are one time but the OEM copper washers can be reused. All you have to do is boil them to expand. I reused the OEM Banjo bolts and copper washers (except double banjo) and have the Galfer Banjo bolts in the box. I even have the new red aluminum Galfer banjo bolts ones I never used in a box.

The aluminum washers from Galfer are one time but the OEM copper washers can be reused. All you have to do is boil them to expand. I reused the OEM Banjo bolts and copper washers (except double banjo) and have the Galfer Banjo bolts in the box. I even have the new red aluminum Galfer banjo bolts ones I never used in a box.

Stock washers on my bike were silver.. the ones that came with the galfer lines were copper.

Either way, I wouldn't re-use any of them.

reusing any of them is like begging for disaster. Simply asking for a complete brake failure.

one time buddie just like a condom

Ya know in the last 20 years I have re-used both the OEM washers and the copper aftermarket ones over & over again at times. I have mix-matched together, double or triple stacked them for a temporary fix on clearance issues with Brembo M/C's where the banjo bolt is too long to fit the thread depth and even moved them from one bike to another for both street & race applications.

I have NEVER had a single failure out of any of them.

I have never asspacked a Moose in 32 years of riding, but I do not need to try it to know that it is a bad idea and comes highly unrecommended.

I have never asspacked a Moose in 32 years of riding, but I do not need to try it to know that it is a bad idea and comes highly unrecommended.

Well using that analogy I have asspacked a moose hundreds of times and always enjoyed it :D So take it from someone that has done it & succeeded rather than someone that claims it doesn't work without any hard evidence :)

Ya know the service manuals for many sportbikes tell you to always use a new crush washer on your oil drain plug bolt & NEW caliper bolts every time you remove the calipers, they also recommend 8000 mile service intervals on oil changes. Out of curiosity, how many of you follow those guidelines?


& Jim if you've been riding for 32 years, shouldn't you be much faster by now? :D

In the immortal word of MLauderdale.......:popcorn2:

LMAO @ last 4 posts

btw, no brake failure here by reusing the washers

Well using that analogy I have asspacked a moose hundreds of times and always enjoyed it :D So take it from someone that has done it & succeeded rather than someone that claims it doesn't work without any hard evidence :)

Ya know the service manuals for many sportbikes tell you to always use a new crush washer on your oil drain plug bolt & NEW caliper bolts every time you remove the calipers, they also recommend 8000 mile service intervals on oil changes. Out of curiosity, how many of you follow those guidelines?


& Jim if you've been riding for 32 years, shouldn't you be much faster by now? :D

Yes, you would think so, however, using the same logic, with your laps and track time, I would expect you to have gotten over using training wheels (180s) and worked out how to go faster on a 190 (the correct tire size for the 6 inch rim) like the Superstock boys do. :D Hehehehehehe. (Yes, you are much faster than I am even with the 180, I know that quite well)

Back to hard evidence, as you put it. I have seen used crush washers fail. Not every time, but often enough to be convincing for me. I have seen people continue to use helmets after they have been crashed too. Does not make it right or recommended, and I am not willing to do either. Your mileage obviously varies.

Oil drain plug washers? Every time.

Caliper Bolts? Nope- I do apply a locking agent though, which is the reason for the factory recommendation, not that they are TTY. I do replace any TTY bolts every time though.

Oil changes every 8,000? Not on your life, but then again, those are light to medium duty recommendations. I change far more often, as do you. With good reason, as you well know. Would you reuse a filter o-ring too?

I guess I do not understand not using something which is so cheap and plentifully available, outside of not having one on hand, and having only a few minutes before having to grid up for a race.

Especially when your life could be at stake.

Incidentally, I am dealing with an o-ring failure of my own right now. I will have to tear down the rear master again to see if it was a failure of the part, or a fuck up in the install, but either way, I should not have tried to reuse it.

:popcorn2:oh snap

I feel I know Mike (LDH) well enough to give him some shit back. I am sure he will have much more for me. Couple years ago at Barber he and another rider split me like a crack whore and there is some awesome video to show it. :D

Nuttin, but love for ya Jim :D

Let me know when that Moose costume arrives ok...


That other rider was John LaConte btw from Milwaukee ;)

Nuttin, but love for ya Jim :D

Let me know when that Moose costume arrives ok...


That other rider was John LaConte btw from Milwaukee ;)

Wait a minute- I had better review the video. You sure that was Johnny? FUCK!

I will have to watch it again when I get home from PT.

Damn!

I will be racing against him this year a few times I believe.

Stock washers on my bike were silver.. the ones that came with the galfer lines were copper.

Either way, I wouldn't re-use any of them.

My stock washers were copper and the Galfer were paper thin aluminum. I allreasy explained how to reuse copper. You boil them and they will expand back to their original thickness. Therefore, yes you can reuse the copper washers. There is no reason to use the Galfer banjo bolts other then to match the color of the fittings.

Dammit quit being serious can't you see there is a threadjack in progress...

My stock washers were copper and the Galfer were paper thin aluminum. I allreasy explained how to reuse copper. You boil them and they will expand back to their original thickness. Therefore, yes you can reuse the copper washers. There is no reason to use the Galfer banjo bolts other then to match the color of the fittings.

Are you willing to accept the blame if someone here does this and it fails? Just curious.

I defy you to put a pair of Galfer lines on the front of your bike using all of the stock banjo bolts. Not possible.

I defy you to put a pair of Galfer lines on the front of your bike using all of the stock banjo bolts. Not possible.

I already have reused all the OEM banjo bolts with all four Galfer lines (including front brakes) except for the double banjo bolt.

Are you willing to accept the blame if someone here does this and it fails? Just curious.


I'm not telling anyone not to use the Galfer banjo bolts, only that I have done the OEM/Galfer combo without any issues. If Galfer wants to chime in and say that wrong, then great. I don't mind learning something and I will use the Galfer banjo bolts instead.

I didn't use the red aluminum ones only because the size of the banjo bolt head was larger and I didn't want to carry an extra wrench in the tool kit. I didn't use the Galfer banjo bolts because I was sent silver instead of matching gold but since I had intended to use the red ones, it wasn't worth the exchange. My reply was mainly for the copper washers.

I got the copper washer trick from my titanium fabricator. He can explain the metallurgy, not me. All I can tell you is to reuse the copper washers you boil them to expand them back to their original thickness. This does not work with the aluminum washers.

I have asspacked a moose hundreds of times and always enjoyed it

siggified

I already have reused all the OEM banjo bolts with all four Galfer lines (including front brakes) except for the double banjo bolt.



I'm not telling anyone not to use the Galfer banjo bolts, only that I have done the OEM/Galfer combo without any issues. If Galfer wants to chime in and say that wrong, then great. I don't mind learning something and I will use the Galfer banjo bolts instead.

I didn't use the red aluminum ones only because the size of the banjo bolt head was larger and I didn't want to carry an extra wrench in the tool kit. I didn't use the Galfer banjo bolts because I was sent silver instead of matching gold but since I had intended to use the red ones, it wasn't worth the exchange. My reply was mainly for the copper washers.

I got the copper washer trick from my titanium fabricator. He can explain the metallurgy, not me. All I can tell you is to reuse the copper washers you boil them to expand them back to their original thickness. This does not work with the aluminum washers.

Metallurgy 101 shows us that once any metal is stressed, it is no longer able to retain it's original strength and properties. Your life- not mine.

You answered the question already- you still had to switch the double banjo over.

Finally- your tool kit has a 14mm wrench in it already.

No offense, but aren't you the same guy that took his bike to the dealer to have rearsets installed?

The washers are too damned cheap for me to risk my ass on reusing to save 30 cents.

Metallurgy 101 shows us that once any metal is stressed, it is no longer able to retain it's original strength and properties.

Yea, but nowhere is it stated that the metal in those washers needs to be at 100% of its strength to be effective for the intended purpose. If it was really that much of an issue then we wouldn't be seeing them made out of different materials to begin with they would be standardized and spec'd.

Yea, but nowhere is it stated that the metal in those washers needs to be at 100% of its strength to be effective for the intended purpose. If it was really that much of an issue then we wouldn't be seeing them made out of different materials to begin with they would be standardized and spec'd.

Get back in that bottle of Sapphire and stop making sense!

I'm out of Sapphire & don't want to buy another bottle before I move across the country so tonight it is Gentleman Jack straight.

I'm out of Sapphire & don't want to buy another bottle before I move across the country so tonight it is Gentleman Jack straight.

Use a straw- you will be unable to tell the difference within 5 minutes. :D

Metallurgy 101 shows us that once any metal is stressed, it is no longer able to retain it's original strength and properties. Your life- not mine.

You answered the question already- you still had to switch the double banjo over.

Finally- your tool kit has a 14mm wrench in it already.

No offense, but aren't you the same guy that took his bike to the dealer to have rearsets installed?

The washers are too damned cheap for me to risk my ass on reusing to save 30 cents.

I think LDH answered that as well but I have reused copper washers on my track car and my bikes. I trust my fabricator with my life.

Yes, I said except the double banjo which does not change the fact that all four Galfer lines including front brakes are reusing the OEM banjo bolts without any issues.

lol, yes (very funny) I had my bike in the shop waiting for OEM parts and handed him stuff to put on since I was too impatient but what does that have to do with the Galfer lines that I installed myself?

I'll have to check if i'm missing a wrench but it is not the same size as OEM ones.