Red Light on after Oil change

So I changed my oil the other day. Mobil 1 filter and shell rotella oil. I run the bike about 15 miles and the red oil pressure light comes on. I check the level an realize that I overfilled a little. So I drain out some oil and get it to the correct amount. Just shy of the upper fill line.

I let the bike run up to 220 degrees and then I let it cool like 5 minutes and recheck the oil level...right where it should be but....the red light and the little oil can symbol are still on my dash. The light goes out when the bike is actually running....it is only on when I turn the key on. The HESD and FI light come on when I turn the key as well but the oil can and red light remain on after the others turn off. Only when I actually start the bike does the red light and oil can disappear.

So I call Honda and tell them what's up. They said it is probably one of two things.

1. I didn't use a Honda filter so the filter I used isn't letting enough oil through and is causing the oil pressure light to come on.

2. I some how managed to turn off the oil pressure sensor? But he could not explain how I may have done this.

Can anyone help me with this before I send my hard earned money to the stealership instead of Brad?

Thanks Jason

I would change the filter first.

I would change the filter first.

:thumbsup:

filter? you think it could be defective or are you saying not to use the mobile 1 filter?

The light goes out when the bike is actually running....it is only on when I turn the key on. The HESD and FI light come on when I turn the key as well but the oil can and red light remain on after the others turn off. Only when I actually start the bike does the red light and oil can disappear.



UHm, this is normal. The red light only goes out when oil pressure is up which only takes places once the bike is running.

Look at your car, it should do the same thing. All my bikes have done this. its normal. Should also say so in your users manual.


As for the light coming on when it was running. Same as what others said, change the filter to a stock unit.

UHm, this is normal. The red light only goes out when oil pressure is up which only takes places once the bike is running.



+1. It is only on when your key is in the on position and not running because your have no oil pressure. Normal....

Oh duh, I missed that- the red light is supposed to be on when it is not running- I thought he was getting the light on when it was running.

And no, I would not ever use the Mobil 1 filter and I do not care if there were 8 million success stories per day. It is not made for bikes and no one will stand behind it if it fails.

Read your manual bro. There are fasinating facts about your bike in there. Go to the guages section....all your questions will be answered.

Read your manual bro. There are fasinating facts about your bike in there. Go to the guages section....all your questions will be answered.

I bought the bike used and there was no manual included. I suppose I could buy one but this forum is just so much more fun!

Now that that is settled I will go buy some SMX-R's from Brad....:grin:

Just stick with the Honda filter. No need for that fancy stuff, OEM is sometimes actually better.

i always get the OEM filter for the bike.

filter? you think it could be defective or are you saying not to use the mobile 1 filter?



there's a mobil 1 filter?? crap id say start there..change that, get a honda, K&N filter ect....

I thought this thread was dead but since it came up again I'll clarify....it was my stupidity that spawned this thread...not the filter.

at least your up front about it

I thought this thread was dead but since it came up again I'll clarify....it was my stupidity that spawned this thread...not the filter.

A thread is only dead until a newb joins the site to bring it back from the grave. Look at the post count of the poster who brought it back; four posts.

there's a mobil 1 filter?? crap id say start there..change that, get a honda, K&N filter ect....

There is no Mobil1 filter for this bike. There is one that fits, but it is not a bike filter, and using it will void your warranty.

There is no Mobil1 filter for this bike. There is one that fits, but it is not a bike filter, and using it will void your warranty.

To clarify....getting caught could void your warranty.

But why risk it? If Mobil won't stand behind their product for this application, do you think it is wise to use it?

But why risk it? If Mobil won't stand behind their product for this application, do you think it is wise to use it?

mobil cant stand behind it. it is a car filter.

if you put it on the car it was meant for then they will back it 100%.

put it on your bike and you do so at your own risk.

granted all the research has shown that it is an excellent filter and works well for this bike

mobil cant stand behind it. it is a car filter.

if you put it on the car it was meant for then they will back it 100%.

put it on your bike and you do so at your own risk.

granted all the research has shown that it is an excellent filter and works well for this bike

Hence why I said for this application. Mobil doesn't suggest it at all. If it would work, Mobil would list it in their charts and make the money. They don't for a reason. I doubt it is because they make enough money all ready.

Hence why I said for this application. Mobil doesn't suggest it at all. If it would work, Mobil would list it in their charts and make the money. They don't for a reason. I doubt it is because they make enough money all ready.

dude.....then don't use it. Period.

There is no Mobil1 filter for this bike. There is one that fits, but it is not a bike filter, and using it will void your warranty.

There is a difference in oil filters from bikes to car?? Thought they are the same thing.

mobil cant stand behind it. it is a car filter.

if you put it on the car it was meant for then they will back it 100%.

put it on your bike and you do so at your own risk.

granted all the research has shown that it is an excellent filter and works well for this bike

Mobil has done zero research with this filter for the bike. Zero. Absolutely none.

There is a difference in oil filters from bikes to car?? Thought they are the same thing.

Nope

dude.....then don't use it. Period.

I don't, but why do you?

There is a difference in oil filters from bikes to car?? Thought they are the same thing.

They accomplsih the same function, but there are different size filters and designed for different applications. Just because something fits doesn't mean it is the right tool for the job.

Mobil has done zero research with this filter for the bike. Zero. Absolutely none.

And yet people still want to use it.

It is cheap. Bottom line. Glad the bike was not built by the lowest bidder!

And yet people still want to use it.

I've often wondered why this is. Just because it says Mobil 1 on it??

must be cap, because i love mobil 1 stuff on my cars

It is cheap. Bottom line. Glad the bike was not built by the lowest bidder!

Then we would have what; A Suzuki or a Yamaha?

I've often wondered why this is. Just because it says Mobil 1 on it??

I guess so. It is like K&N; people believe the marketing. On some vehiciles you can see 15HP; pretty much nothing if it already has a tuned intake though.

It is cheap. Bottom line. Glad the bike was not built by the lowest bidder!

The bike may not have been built by the lowest bidder, but I bet the oil filter came from the lowest bidder. Honda's like any other large company, they will use the lowest bidder when they can. At least you can find the flow rates of the Mobil1.

I wouldn't use Honda oil, why would I use Honda filters.

why would I use Honda filters.

Why wouldn't you now that you brought it up?

Why wouldn't you now that you brought it up?

The point was that I know that Mobil1 filter are quality filters.

From Mobil1 website:
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Oil Filters contain synthetic fibers instead of the typical cellulose filter media. With a 99.2 percent efficiency rating (under SAE J1858 Multi-Pass Efficiency Test), the Mobil 1 filter is much more efficient than a typical oil filter, removing more particles per pass through the filter. In addition, the synthetic fibers in the Mobil 1 filter have less resistance to oil flow, reducing the potential for the filter to restrict the flow of oil to your engine.


I can't find any info on Honda filters. If there is test data on Honda filters, please post them.

The point was that I know that Mobil1 filter are quality filters.

From Mobil1 website:
Mobil 1 Extended Performance Oil Filters contain synthetic fibers instead of the typical cellulose filter media. With a 99.2 percent efficiency rating (under SAE J1858 Multi-Pass Efficiency Test), the Mobil 1 filter is much more efficient than a typical oil filter, removing more particles per pass through the filter. In addition, the synthetic fibers in the Mobil 1 filter have less resistance to oil flow, reducing the potential for the filter to restrict the flow of oil to your engine.


I can't find any info on Honda filters. If there is test data on Honda filters, please post them.


Its not always the filtration quality that is at stake, its the amount of pressure required to push oil through filter IE the oil flow. If the filter requires a higher pressure to push oil through it than what the bike puts out, you can cause harm to your engine by restricting the oil flow.

Also I believe there is a pressure release/bypass mechanism in the filters that is set at a pre-determined level to compensate for high oil pressure upon startup with cold oil or rapid in crease in throttle action.

If the Mobil1 filter doesn't have this, it could possibly cause harm to the engine


Make sense?

Also I believe there is a pressure release/bypass mechanism in the filters that is set at a pre-determined level to compensate for high oil pressure upon startup with cold oil or rapid in crease in throttle action.

If the Mobil1 filter doesn't have this, it could possibly cause harm to the engine


Make sense?

Honda filters bypass around 8 psi. Mobil1 is 11 psi. Thats about the only info I could find on the Honda filter.

We have had the conversation a hundred times. Speedy has probably the best information on oil and oil filters you are gonna find on this forum. His info is not "Honda says to use this so I use it." or "Team Honda racing uses the OEM filters so if it's good enough for them". He has hard facts about different filters and oil analysis done on a CBR1000RR.

I'm sure everyone can bring up a point or 2 about "Their oil" or "Their filter" cripes the Amsoil guy has done it at length. Point is with the amount most on here change their oil.....what does it even matter? 99.9% of people here will have sold or traded in their current bikes for a new one long before the difference in filters or oil is noticed.

When your changing your oil and filter every 3000 miles (or even sooner for some guys like Resus). Then basically any of the oils and or filter we have discussed on this forum will do fine. The bypass valve argument is a joke when your talking about people who change their oil and filter as often as we do.

I bought the Mobil 1 filter cause I was at Autozone and that's what they had to fit my bike. I buy the shell oil because it is a quality synthetic oil that I use in my cars, lawn mower, snowblower, ect.

The next guy on this forum that has an engine blow ONLY because he used a sub par filter or brand of oil (that was changed regularly) will be the first.

The only legitamite arguement I have heard for using OEM Honda stuff is the warrenty issues. However, I don't have a warrenty so it does not apply to me.

The bypass valve argument is a joke when your talking about people who change their oil and filter as often as we do.


The frequency of oil and filter changes has nothing to do with the bypass valve, however cold start up does.

We have had the conversation a hundred times. Speedy has probably the best information on oil and oil filters you are gonna find on this forum. His info is not "Honda says to use this so I use it." or "Team Honda racing uses the OEM filters so if it's good enough for them". He has hard facts about different filters and oil analysis done on a CBR1000RR.

I'm sure everyone can bring up a point or 2 about "Their oil" or "Their filter" cripes the Amsoil guy has done it at length. Point is with the amount most on here change their oil.....what does it even matter? 99.9% of people here will have sold or traded in their current bikes for a new one long before the difference in filters or oil is noticed.

When your changing your oil and filter every 3000 miles (or even sooner for some guys like Resus). Then basically any of the oils and or filter we have discussed on this forum will do fine. The bypass valve argument is a joke when your talking about people who change their oil and filter as often as we do.

I bought the Mobil 1 filter cause I was at Autozone and that's what they had to fit my bike. I buy the shell oil because it is a quality synthetic oil that I use in my cars, lawn mower, snowblower, ect.

The next guy on this forum that has an engine blow ONLY because he used a sub par filter or brand of oil (that was changed regularly) will be the first.

The only legitamite arguement I have heard for using OEM Honda stuff is the warrenty issues. However, I don't have a warrenty so it does not apply to me.

I bet a football helmet will fit you too, but that does not mean it is better.

The frequency of oil and filter changes has nothing to do with the bypass valve, however cold start up does.

wrong......the bypass valve would eventually open up completely and the engine oil would "bypass" the filter all together when the filter becomes clogged with particles. Typically 10-20 grams of trash is all an average spin off filter can hold. How would the filter become clogged and or filled with particles? From infrequent enough oil and filter changes.


Also when the engine is cold and the oil is to "thick" still to pass through the filtration then the bypass valve would be used.

Resus....I'm not saying it's "better"....I'm saying that it is AT LEAST just as good in most cases.

I bet a football helmet will fit you too, but that does not mean it is better.

And a tank will fit in his house too; doesn't mean you should park it there.

wrong......the bypass valve would eventually open up completely and the engine oil would "bypass" the filter all together when the filter becomes clogged with particles. Typically 10-20 grams of trash is all an average spin off filter can hold. How would the filter become clogged and or filled with particles? From infrequent enough oil and filter changes.


Also when the engine is cold and the oil is to "thick" still to pass through the filtration then the bypass valve would be used.

Resus....I'm not saying it's "better"....I'm saying that it is AT LEAST just as good in most cases.

By whose actual R&D on a motorcycle? Mobil says not to use it on a bike, Honda says not to use it on the bike- why use it then? Seriously? Who says it is as good? What empirical testing has been done? Just looking at numbers is not enough.

The bypass valve does not have anything to do with filtration being clogged directly- it has to do with pressure. That is how it works. Yes- a clogged filter will cause a pressure change, but it certainly is not the only thing.

Filters can also be clogged by clutch fibers, metal particles from an engine failure, and anything else that might get in the oiling system, which can happen anytime, not just when the bike needs an oil change.

If you have a 2 dollar bike, use a 2 dollar filter.

Also when the engine is cold and the oil is to "thick" still to pass through the filtration then the bypass valve would be used.



Well, that's what I meant by my statement.:cool:

The bypass valve does not have anything to do with filtration being clogged directly- it has to do with pressure. That is how it works. Yes- a clogged filter will cause a pressure change, but it certainly is not the only thing.

Filters can also be clogged by clutch fibers, metal particles from an engine failure, and anything else that might get in the oiling system, which can happen anytime, not just when the bike needs an oil change.

If you have a 2 dollar bike, use a 2 dollar filter.

You seem to like to drop odd statements about football helmets and $2 bikes at the end of your posts. hmmmm

You can split hairs about what a bypass valve does all day....but we both know what it is for. I stand by what I said. Let me know next time your bypass valve opens up post engine start.:deadhorse:

Keep avoiding the fact that the filter is absolutely inappropriate for the bike. Keep focusing on everything but that fact. Be sure not to address the fact that absolutely no one will stand behind using the filter on any bike, much less this one. Keep avoiding the fact that you had no clue about anything whatsoever when you started this thread, questioning the normal operation of the bike with absolutely zero clue and within just a few posts have now become an instant expert on oiling and filtration.


If you keep doing that, I am sure you will look really smart and everyone will run out and put these filters on their bikes, and they will come to you with all of their oiling questions, like "Why does my low oil pressure light come on when the oil pressure is low?"


Yeah, that is the ticket. You went from clueless to Lubrication Engineer is just a few days.

You just go right ahead and stand by what you said, but be sure to stand by all of it. You are the one who questioned not only the low oil pressure light being on when there was zero oil pressure, but also called Honda to freak out about it, and then posted it here.

dude.....then don't use it. Period.

I don't remember telling anyone to use the same filter I use. In fact I rememberposting this sentence in this thread previously.

As far as being a "lubrication Engineer" goes.....I am not. I have never claimed to be. I am also not a Motorcycle expert. I have only owned 2 bikes in my life. Maybe I could put those 4 sentences in my signature in the futre lest I be mistaken for such?

What I am is curious. I started this thread with a problem I knew almost nothing about. I then obtained some information from this thread and mostly from scouring the internet (it's quite big believe it or not). Now I do know quite alot about oil filters........

Now I do know quite alot about oil filters........

I think you meant you learned a lot. When you start with nothing and then learned just a little bit, you have actually learned a lot from where you started.

Just because something fits doesn't mean it works properly.

I think you meant you learned a lot. When you start with nothing and then learned just a little bit, you have actually learned a lot from where you started.

Just because something fits doesn't mean it works properly.

Yes...I did learn alot. Now that I have learned....I know!

Everyone just relax. I'm not telling you to use anything.....but I used a purolator for my previous change...and I'm using a mobile 1 right now. They both work. Period.

I think you meant you learned a lot. When you start with nothing and then learned just a little bit, you have actually learned a lot from where you started.

Just because something fits doesn't mean it works properly.

So you're saying the oil filter is the one part that Honda got exactly right. Most people here will upgrade nearly every element of the bike, but the oil filter is one part that can't be improved upon. Yea right. A synthetic media filter will always be better than a paper media filter.

So you're saying the oil filter is the one part that Honda got exactly right. Most people here will upgrade nearly every element of the bike, but the oil filter is one part that can't be improved upon. Yea right. A synthetic media filter will always be better than a paper media filter.

Run with that thought.

Many of us use the K&N filter, which is for the bike, and has been tested and is approved, and works well.

I don't apply this theory to all aspects of my bike but for some reason I do apply it to the oil and filter. Here it is. Honda built the bike. Honda says use Honda oil and Honda filters. I will use Honda oil and Honda filters. I'm not saying it's right all I'm saying is that's my reasoning for using Honda oil and Honda filters. And I personally sell tens of thousands of dollars of oil and filters every month. I just don't see any advantages(really worth mentioning anyway) to "modding" the engine lubrication system. Again...just my $.02.

So you're saying the oil filter is the one part that Honda got exactly right. Most people here will upgrade nearly every element of the bike, but the oil filter is one part that can't be improved upon. Yea right. A synthetic media filter will always be better than a paper media filter.

I never said that. If you use this filter and it damges the motor; Honda will not warranty the work if it turns out to be the filter. So then you can call Mobil and their filter causing an issue. They too will say, sorry, but that filter is not approved for that application. Then you get to cover the cost of repairs.

So why would you use it? If yuo use one of the many other filters that is listed as compatible, you are covered. So once again, why would you use it? This is not a hard question to answer.

This is not a hard question to answer.

Apparently it is. It seems to me that people are so brand loyal with Mobile 1 that it does not matter what anybody says.

Fuck it, it's their bed, they can lay in it.

Apparently it is. It seems to me that people are so brand loyal with Mobile 1 that it does not many what anybody says.

Fuck it, it's their bed, they can lay in it.

I guess this is who P.T Barnum wrote about.

Anyone can come out and say that a Honda filter is better. I mean, Honda "recommends" it, right? Of course they do! Yamaha recommends Yamalube oil. That's called marketing. Honda is very good at marketing.

But Honda will void your warranty if you don't use a Honda filter! That is only if your engine blows up BECAUSE OF THE FILTER. Very unlikely. It is a good thing, though, to comply with warranty terms, just in case your new engine shits the bed for some reason. So I won't argue that angle.

What I want to know is how the oil flow in sportbikes compare to cars? I'm willing to bet that it's actually less than most cars, but someone please prove me wrong.

We need some numbers. Otherwise this is all just anecdotal chit chat.

Anyone can come out and say that a Honda filter is better. I mean, Honda "recommends" it, right? Of course they do! Yamaha recommends Yamalube oil. That's called marketing. Honda is very good at marketing.

But Honda will void your warranty if you don't use a Honda filter! That is only if your engine blows up BECAUSE OF THE FILTER. Very unlikely. It is a good thing, though, to comply with warranty terms, just in case your new engine shits the bed for some reason. So I won't argue that angle.

What I want to know is how the oil flow in sportbikes compare to cars? I'm willing to bet that it's actually less than most cars, but someone please prove me wrong.

We need some numbers. Otherwise this is all just anecdotal chit chat.

Welcome newb, but you haven't been reading the thread. We are not saying you need to use the Honda filter, but you need to use an approved filter. If the filter manufacturer says it is compatible; then it is an approved filter and Honda will not void the warranty. If you use the Mobil filter, it is not an approved filter and warranty will be void and Mobil will not assist either.

Welcome newb, but you haven't been reading the thread. We are not saying you need to use the Honda filter, but you need to use an approved filter. If the filter manufacturer says it is compatible; then it is an approved filter and Honda will not void the warranty. If you use the Mobil filter, it is not an approved filter and warranty will be void and Mobil will not assist either.

Thanks, chief! I did read the thread, by the way.

Again, the term "recommended" is primarily used for marketing. Just as the term "approved" is a form of company CYA.

Generally speaking, how much different are filters from one another besides their label? I think you'd be hardpressed to find any significant difference in oil filter construction or function.

I'll give you the voided warranty argument because chances are a dealer would try to dick you over if your engine quit with a nonstandard filter attatched to it. But like I said, that is a pretty unlikely occurrence in and of itself.

So what I'm saying is that the whole Mobil filter thing is a moot point until you or someone else can explain otherwise. Get those answers before you just buy in to the terms "recommended" and "approved." Those terms have a deeper purpose than their face value.

Thanks, chief! I did read the thread, by the way.

Again, the term "recommended" is primarily used for marketing. Just as the term "approved" is a form of company CYA.

Generally speaking, how much different are filters from one another besides their label? I think you'd be hardpressed to find any significant difference in oil filter construction or function.

I'll give you the voided warranty argument because chances are a dealer would try to dick you over if your engine quit with a nonstandard filter attatched to it. But like I said, that is a pretty unlikely occurrence in and of itself.

So what I'm saying is that the whole Mobil filter thing is a moot point until you or someone else can explain otherwise. Get those answers before you just buy in to the terms "recommended" and "approved." Those terms have a deeper purpose than their face value.

Wrong again Junior. Take a Fram, it is made quite different than most others. The welds can fail, they use cardboard in them and the filter material is well, not much of it.

As for the warranty being voiided, might want to search; happened to someone on this board. The owner had to buy a used engine to get the bike back on the road. So you don't have to search:
http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21058

So, rather than to prove why you shouldn't use the filter, why should you use the filter? Not for the warranty. No because the Mobil will stand behind it. Other filters filter just as well. So why use it at all?

So Honda has ruled and so has Mobil; no warranty on oil related engine issues if you use the Mobil filter.

You are now :owned:

You need to pipe down there, bub. Before you start a pissing match, go back and read what I typed a little more carefully.

I AGREE that it is better to be safe with your warranty. I said that twice. So you can own that one all you want, big guy. Great job!

Then, I said oil filters are "generally" the same. I'm not sure which hole you pulled Fram out of. Not the point at all. Insides are different material, but work like all the rest don't they? Since you know so much about Fram’s, why don’t you tell us the more about them.

By the way, I am not speaking against OEM stuff. I use it too. But what is so wrong about using car filters? If the flow rate and bypass rates are the same as Honda’s, then what's the problem? Be cool and find me a link on that.

Do your own research; not hard at all. If the filter was exactly the same; don't you think Mobil would say it works on motorcycles? They don't for a reason. Why don't you call and ask them.

Oh, it wasn't the dealer that said no to the warranty; it was Honda.

:popcorn2:


lol....jeez....I think I'm gonna use an amsoil filter next.......

I thought this thread was dead but since it came up again I'll clarify....it was my stupidity that spawned this thread...not the filter.

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/1resurrection.jpg

OEM filters is the way to go!