2008 CBR1000RR Burning Oil Rumor

Hello All,
Is their any truth to the rumor that the 08 1000RR burns oil and it's normal? I find this very hard to believe given Honda's rep for quality products. Could this possibly be due to the inproper break-in of the motor initially? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the support!


Cheers,
Sprout

Hello All,
Is their any truth to the rumor that the 08 1000RR burns oil and it's normal? I find this very hard to believe given Honda's rep for quality products. Could this possibly be due to the inproper break-in of the motor initially? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the support!


Cheers,
Sprout

If you do search you'll find several threads going on about that very subjcet. Some have issues, other's don't.....

Hello All,
Is their any truth to the rumor that the 08 1000RR burns oil and it's normal? I find this very hard to believe given Honda's rep for quality products. Could this possibly be due to the inproper break-in of the motor initially? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for the support!


Cheers,
Sprout


That's the fact, not rumor.
No it is not normal to burn that much oil.
Nothing to do with 'improper' brake in .. Honda's fault obviously!

That's the fact, not rumor.
No it is not normal to burn that much oil.
Nothing to do with 'improper' brake in .. Honda's fault obviously!

Daca, I've noticed over the past few months that you seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder when it comes to honda.

Care to explain?

(and i'm not sayin' I disagree w/ you)

.. a lil disappointed with problems with '08 .. as honda was always a symbol of quality, and now this .. plus personal dislike for the front of '08 .. and yes, just my .2 cents.

Wow is this another new ride......:go:


Buckle up kids this might be a good one...

Care to explain?

I'll give it a shot.

1. He hates the '08
2. he loves to :stirpot:.

.. a lil disappointed with problems with '08 .. as honda was always a symbol of quality, and now this .. plus personal dislike for the front of '08 .. and yes, just my .2 cents.

do you own an 08 or ever owned one ?
Personal experience or is this just based on stuff you heard on the internet?

Mine is over 2K miles now and no issue with burning oil. I'm glad to be one of the lucky ones.

do you own an 08 or ever owned one ?
Personal experience or is this just based on stuff you heard on the internet?

I own an '07.
Know 2 guys with '08-s, one is burning oil like mad .. about 900ml p/1000kms. :th_down:

some time is misreading the oil stick, it is kinda tricky though.
the best thing to do is drain the oil and measure the loses vs distance

I have a blog about this oil problem:

http://baiazid-cbr1000rr.blogspot.com/

was the problem fixed in the 09's?

was the problem fixed in the 09's?

we'll wait and see.

even for the 30th time i've posted this, absolutely zero issues out of my 08.

I have had no problems with mine either, but i have read a lot of other people's problem. I was told by the dealer it was a break in thing. I actually got the dealer to put the first couple hundred km on my bike just so they wouldn't come at me later and say i was abusing it during break in. Anyways no problems with mine yet.

5K miles now and no oil burning.

*shrugs*

5K miles now and no oil burning.

*shrugs*

+1

mine burns a negligible amount, less than 1/4qt in 1000mi

Yep I ride my 08 like is was stolen every time I get on her. She only has 2500 miles but no problems. The quality is good in this bike.:thumbsup:

Mike

No problems here either. Must be something else

Luckily no problems here for me either........

I have to say everything is good thus far. Jeb

I have had no problems with mine either, but i have read a lot of other people's problem. I was told by the dealer it was a break in thing. I actually got the dealer to put the first couple hundred km on my bike just so they wouldn't come at me later and say i was abusing it during break in. Anyways no problems with mine yet.

:WTF: i'll break in the next bike you buy for you LoL
i won't charge as much as the dealer

we'll wait and see.

Maybe it's just bikes in the "wrong" hemisphere. Somthing to do with liquid swirl in the opposite direction of Northern hemisphere. Maybe bikes need to be ridden backwards down under?:beer:

'ave a coupla Fosters mate!

It is no rumor.

Honda replaced my first unit & now my second is in the same boat. To the neophytes asking why we appear to have 'grudges' against Honda; *duh*. :beat:

VIN's 1472 & 1508.

The rumor is true I own an 08 Blade and the oil consumption is unreal, I spoke with NZ Honda race team when they were in the South Island at Levels and Ruapuna they have the same problem! craig was going to look at some other oil types untill they went on line to the forums and found that all CBR'S have the same concern.
It's a piss off to say the least and all my mates give me stick about it. I would like to hear what Honda say about their superbike or are they a little embarrased about it themselves.

I own an '07.
Know 2 guys with '08-s, one is burning oil like mad .. about 900ml p/1000kms. :th_down:
The rumor is true I own an 08 Blade and the oil consumption is unreal, I spoke with NZ Honda race team when they were in the South Island at Levels and Ruapuna they have the same problem! craig was going to look at some other oil types untill they went on line to the forums and found that all CBR'S have the same concern.
It's a piss off to say the least and all my mates give me stick about it. I would like to hear what Honda say about their superbike or are they a little embarrased about it themselves.

They are not .. still ignoring the issue.

so guys i have a questions so what is the right way to break in the 08 1kcbr pay so much for a new bike so you dont have any problems and then this.. sH!&% :shoot:pissed!!!

so guys i have a questions so what is the right way to break in the 08 1kcbr pay so much for a new bike so you dont have any problems and then this.. sH!&% :shoot:pissed!!!

in the owners book it says no hard acceleration or reving for 300 miles and after that i assume its "broken in".

so guys i have a questions so what is the right way to break in the 08 1kcbr pay so much for a new bike so you dont have any problems and then this.. sH!&% :shoot:pissed!!!

I don't think the oil burning issue has much to do with what kind of oil you put in your engine and when.

I have an 08, that is affected by the clutch update. I've done the clutch update, I heat cycled the bike 3 times while burping the rpms from idle to 4000 each time. Full hot, full cold, 3 days, one heat cycle per day. At the end of the third heat cycle I drained out the factory stuff and Repsol 100% synthetic is in there 10W50. I did the same thing with my 07 600RR and I can not detect any problems on that bike. I'll let you know how the 1000 turns out if it every stops being winter up here !!

OH S*#T! I just bought a Limited Edition 08. I put 300 hundred miles on it in 2 days. I tried to take it easy....I never rolled the throttle all the way but I did ride it. I did see some deposits on the tail pipe. But it looked normal, I guess. What do you all think?

No 08 oil burning here, either. So far, so good.

OH S*#T! I just bought a Limited Edition 08. I put 300 hundred miles on it in 2 days. I tried to take it easy....I never rolled the throttle all the way but I did ride it. I did see some deposits on the tail pipe. But it looked normal, I guess. What do you all think?


I have some deposits (look like small drips) on the tailpipe also. I only have about 200 miles on mine, whats up with that?

The oil burning issue has absolutely nothing to do with break-in or what type of oil is used.

Well as usual, I do my research after I buy. Still would have bought a CBR, just maybe an 09. I liked the all blk 08 LE. I will watch my oil level very close now and keep everyone posted. I hoped to get that other 300 miles on it this weekend and put it in the shop next Friday for the 600 mi work. The weather is not looking good now. I have VIN#55. Does anyone know if they were made before the general production run? Or does VIN have anything to do with the order they were made?

Don't really have enough miles on my bike yet to know if it's burning any oil, although I do see oil residue on the tip of the exhaust. If the bike turns out to be an oil burner I think I'm going to take the loss and sell it. Guess I’ll wait and see what Honda puts out for 2010. Can't be bothered to check the oil all the time or be worried about going on long rides, my 954 burns no oil whatsoever!

I got mine used with about 1700 miles on it. After putting 1000 miles on my 08 it needed almost a quart in it. I am hoping this is not why it was sold.

2200 miles on mine, started off with honda 10-40 mineral, changed at 500, changed to repsol semi synt at 1500 10-30, ill go full snth next change, maye 3000 miles give or take. NOT A DROP BURNED YET, and I'm OCD about checking it.

Mine's got almost 2,000 miles and hasn't burned a drop. :beat:

Mine has always gone from the top line on the dipstick to nothing on the dipstick at all in about 600Km of hard riding. Currently got 7,000 Km on the bike. Dealer pleads ignorant saying he's never heard of any complaints regarding oil, but that Honda say up to 1lt/1,000Km is acceptable!!!

Can anyone post build dates as to see if it was only early model builds?
Joe

Both of my burners are Jan/08 build dates.

mine is 1/08 build and #72 le.no oil burning 3000 miles.motul 10-40 300v.

3/08 no burning.

Well as usual, I do my research after I buy. Still would have bought a CBR, just maybe an 09. I liked the all blk 08 LE. I will watch my oil level very close now and keep everyone posted. I hoped to get that other 300 miles on it this weekend and put it in the shop next Friday for the 600 mi work. The weather is not looking good now. I have VIN#55. Does anyone know if they were made before the general production run? Or does VIN have anything to do with the order they were made?


UPDATE: Just over 2000 miles now and no oil burning.

I tought i was lucky.
2.200km and not even a drop of oil. (one track day included)
I went to the track last friday, practiced from 09:00am to 15:45pm - 45laps. (around 290km)
When i arrived home, i waited like 20mins and checked the oil... It didn't even appear at the indicator. -.-
I completed with +- 650ml.
Since the bike still stock, i don't even reach 13k rpm. I always pass at 12.5K rpm. IMO there's no need to go forward since you have all the power on 12K rpm. And there's not really explanation to the oil burn, since i rode it the same way i did before at the track.
I'm really upset now.
The bike did great, a k7 gsxr1000 with full exhaust couldn't keep up with me when i was trying to cut some seconds off and even on straight lines.
He had more torque on mid range leaving the corners, however, above 10k rpm, he couldnt get the little honda.:owned:
I asked the guy later and he said he was going to redline with the suzi. Then i kinda smiled. Anyway, great bike as well, really beaultiful and performs great.

A friend of mine who is owner of a honda dealer in another state, told me the problem for the oil burn was at the "piston's ring's rasps". (I couldn't find another word for that, sorry for the english. Btw, i guess you understood.) It needs to be changed.
He's got a 08 1000RR as well.
I'll get in touch with honda this week and hope for the best.

Got mine about 1 year ago. Build date is 02/08. Within the first 1000 miles my exhaust started to smell like a two-stroke. Have about 7k miles on it now. Apart from that (and the front end) I really like the bike, its been great in the canyons.

Just for reference my parts list:

Leo Vince added @ 1000 mi
PCIII added @7000 mi
IRC-1 added @7000 mi

Braied lines & 520 conversion also, but that is a side note.

I have about 3200 miles on my 08. If I keep the rpm's above 8000 for about 500 feet then come to a stop I get a faint smell of oil. I have only gone through maybe 1/2 quart or less oil in 2000 miles.

I have about 3200 miles on my 08. If I keep the rpm's above 8000 for about 500 feet then come to a stop I get a faint smell of oil. I have only gone through maybe 1/2 quart or less oil in 2000 miles.


mines was burning 1/2 Qt. every 500 miles or so good luck... honda did a ring job on mines now its o.k.

mines was burning 1/2 Qt. every 500 miles or so good luck... honda did a ring job on mines now its o.k.

How long was it in the shop? Thats all i need to be down the rest of the summer.:sad010:

went and talked to the dealership tonight:th_down: What a joke. They wanted me to have them start doing my oil changes to monitor my oil losses. Then let them tear down my motor and see if they can find a problem. If they couldn't find anything i would have to pay for the labor. You can guess what i told them.... :thefinger: Im looking for a different dealer this weekend The head dip shit told me he has never heard of anyone having a problem with oil loss nor has honda replaced any motors yet.

My bike was in the shop less than a week; new rings, clutch update, and radiator clamp recall. So far, so good. :gay:

One year old, 3000 mostly track miles. Track or street it uses lots of oil. About 500 miles top indicator to nothing on the stick. This is about my 15th race/track bike and by far it burns the most oil of anything I've owned.

Best handling liter bike I've had with fewest suspension mods. Bike goes in today for engine rebuild. :)

Thought I had a deal with the dealer for new rings. The service writer assured me they were aware of oil consumption issues and would fix the problem. Two Honda Corp. techs personally ran some tests and deemed the consumption acceptable. Case closed. Time to write a letter. :th_down:

Thought I had a deal with the dealer for new rings. The service writer assured me they were aware of oil consumption issues and would fix the problem. Two Honda Corp. techs personally ran some tests and deemed the consumption acceptable. Case closed. Time to write a letter. :th_down:

Sorry to hear that. :th_down:

What tests did they run? What were the results?

What is your current burn rate?

Mine just started leaking oil from the ride side near the bottom from the cover. Well atleast thats where I think its coming from. Anyone had issues with the 08 1krr leaking oil not burning oil? Its at the dealership right now. I'll post back what they find.

I only have about 1,800 miles on mine. Changed the oil @ 600 miles. Checked it yesterday, and had to add about 1/2 pint or so....not very much, but I've been riding for 44 years and never had a bike consume a teaspoon of oil. I change my oil every 2,500 to 3K miles. Guess it's not too bad, all things considered....and I do ride fast and agressive on back roads (95% of my riding).

Mine's in for rebuild right now. they've had it about 2 1/2 weeks so far

I have heard the rumor. Maybe one reason why the bikes seem to be selling for less than the competition. Mine does not burn any more than any other bike I have had (rc51, cbr1000, v65 sabre). Maybe I'm just lucky but I do make the first change early (200 mi), almost never let it idle during that time and never (at any mileage) let it rip without coolant at 165 plus.

Mine just started leaking oil from the ride side near the bottom from the cover. Well atleast thats where I think its coming from. Anyone had issues with the 08 1krr leaking oil not burning oil? Its at the dealership right now. I'll post back what they find.

Possibly from the clutch recall? They did not reseal it?

Mine was done from the factory before I even bought the bike, and you could see the honda bond that they used to seal the clutch cover. 900+miles and no leaks. I think that was just taking a chance because the only way to tell if there is a leak is to run it for a while which they might have did but they didn't ride it (thank god) because it had 0 miles on it

My 08 runs freaking great.

Oil level drops off the stick in 300 miles of spinning her. Not that bad when cruising. Based on my record of complaints and my diary of mileage, top ups, and full changes, Honda OK'd her for a ring job. Not eager to do it. North American daylight and human beings getting inside there might make it worse.

4700 happy miles w/o burning oil. I kinda did hard break-in. Would it been a help?

I'm over 20K miles now and it's burning some. Not a lot yet but I already let the dealer know that it's starting. If it gets worse they are going to do the ring job on it.

i own a 2008 cbr 1000 and it does burn oil ,like every 2000 i either changing or adding oil but other than that I love it.....i had a 2006 never had any oil problems like this but my 08 is whole lot faster...

Wow. All of these oil buring problems have me concerned. I just put a deposit on an '08 CBR1000 this past Saturday and am supposed to pick it up next weekend. I was aware of the oil problem before my purchase but I figured it was either mostly due to improper break-in or just a few unlucky owners. Maybe just the owners who have had problems are coming on here and posting and I'm seeing a lopsided sampling.

This, along with my usual buyer's remorse, is tempting me to cancel my purchase. Someone pull me back into the fold quickly.

Question: For those of you who have had the engine rebuilt to fix the oil problem did the problem reappear or not? I read somewhere else that the reason they have a problem at all is because Honda uses two rings per piston in this engine instead of three in previous years. Just wondered if the "fix" changes it back to three.

I read somewhere else that the reason they have a problem at all is because Honda uses two rings per piston in this engine instead of three in previous years. Just wondered if the "fix" changes it back to three.
Someone posted that on here as well, it's bad info and false. I was in your shoes last month and pulled the trigger. Chances are you will not have an issue, but only you can decide if it is worth the chance.

As you know, you are getting a lifetime engine warranty with the bike from Southern where you have your deposit, I bought mine at the same place. I also picked up a 4-year (5 year total) HondaCare (not Interstate) warranty from them for $400.

As you know, you are getting a lifetime engine warranty with the bike from Southern where you have your deposit, I bought mine at the same place. I also picked up a 4-year (5 year total) HondaCare (not Interstate) warranty from them for $400.

Do you know if either of the warranties only covers engine repairs if something fails and not just excessive oil consumption? I had an extended car warranty once and the fine print said it would only be covered if a component failed but wear and tear related things would not. I did have some powertrain problems and other things, which more than paid for the cost of the warranty.

I might see if I can negotiate a $400 price on the HondaCare 5 year total warranty. My wife wanted me to get a Gold Wing with the nav, HDTV (just kidding), etc., so she could ride along in comfort. We compromised on the CBR for the next 3 years and then considering the Gold Wing. Anyway, if a warranty was still in effect at that time it would be a good selling point.

Do you know if either of the warranties only covers engine repairs if something fails and not just excessive oil consumption? I had an extended car warranty once and the fine print said it would only be covered if a component failed but wear and tear related things would not. I did have some powertrain problems and other things, which more than paid for the cost of the warranty.

I might see if I can negotiate a $400 price on the HondaCare 5 year total warranty. My wife wanted me to get a Gold Wing with the nav, HDTV (just kidding), etc., so she could ride along in comfort. We compromised on the CBR for the next 3 years and then considering the Gold Wing. Anyway, if a warranty was still in effect at that time it would be a good selling point.
I'm not sure, but guys on here have had their rings replaced with the updated part# rings on the standard 1-year Honda Warranty, hopefully the HondaCare warranty wouldn't be any different.

Either way, you should be able to get the HondaCare warranty for $400. Just make it very clear to them you will either buy it from them at that price, or you will buy it from ebay, their choice!

The stat I've seen is 3% of the bikes have the oil burning issue. (posted by a guy who is on the forum and works at a dealer)

Many dealers have never even heard of it it's so rare.

Basically a few bikes have done it, and the internet turned it into a full blown defect. That's the way it looks anyway.

Even so I also was worried, but at the prices these bikes are going for, I deemed it WELL worth the risk. I've only got 450 miles on mine, but hasn't burned a drop.

I'm wondering if there is a lawsuit against Honda? because I'm talking with my attorney and with my insurance, so if somebody wants to be part of a class action against Honda now is the time to speak up.
I have a broken collar bone because of a locked up engine (burned over 2 qts in about 300 miles and looks like a broken piston with all the oil in the exhaust) and only 4k miles (only full syn oil and K&N).

:popcorn2:

Warranty job no cost to me, one week turnaround. Now, will the new rings seat?:stirpot:

What's up fellas. Sadly, this is my first post...I bought a used blade recently, and I have put about 3k on it. The bike is burning quite a bit of oil. I decided to search the web to see if this was common or find some info, and this is what I find. Clearly, this is a mfg problem. I cannot say that the bike was broken in correctly, since I did not put the first 800mi on her, but this is appears to be to common for that.

Currently, I am at 3800mi. I am wondering what my options may be. Is this something that Honda intends to address, or will I be rebuilding my engine sometime soon? I think the warranty has just expired...

What's up fellas. Sadly, this is my first post...I bought a used blade recently, and I have put about 3k on it. The bike is burning quite a bit of oil. I decided to search the web to see if this was common or find some info, and this is what I find. Clearly, this is a mfg problem. I cannot say that the bike was broken in correctly, since I did not put the first 800mi on her, but this is appears to be to common for that.


How positive are you that this is a manufacturer's defect in your particular case? Has it been taken into account that the previous owner of your used machine may have just broken it in poorly?

Well IMO with a modern engine it shouldn't make a rat's ass how it's broken in, it shouldn't burn any oil. If it does it's a manufacturer's defect.

That's just my take anyway.

How positive are you that this is a manufacturer's defect in your particular case? Has it been taken into account that the previous owner of your used machine may have just broken it in poorly?

Well, I am not 'positive' I suppose, but there appears to be enough evidence in end-user testimony to support my suspicion. I found this post on fireblades dot org site:

Further to this I have removed the airbox & plugs & performed a leak down test. Cylinders 2 & 4 are down 10% with leakage past the inlet valves.

Using a video endoscope I inspected the bores & valves through the inlet valves & the spark plug hole.
The bores look perfect although the honing is of quite an aggressive pattern which I suppose maybe something to do with the new bore plating process.
More important though is that the backs of the inlet valves are caked with burnt oil & carbon.
This is usually caused by valve guide or seal problems.
The bike has covered less than 3000 miles & I wouldnt have expected to see any heavy deposits.
There is no evidence of any oil in the airbox or breather tubes so it doesnt look like a venting issue.


I went for a good 200+ mile ride last Sunday, and there is no noticeable oil loss when checking the stick. I suppose I should be thankful that mine is not as bad as some other stories I have read. I spoke with one of the service techs at the local dealer in ATX who says they have seen some bikes coming in with this very problem. From the guys post above, it sounds like the problem is in the valves(for us unlucky folks). I intend to perform the same check that he describes above. I will post my findings once this is done. I would at least like to know what work I will need to perform to correct this.

When I got my bike I ran it hard and it didnt burn any oil ( knock on wood ) so far I got about 5k on the bike

Well IMO with a modern engine it shouldn't make a rat's ass how it's broken in, it shouldn't burn any oil. If it does it's a manufacturer's defect.

That's just my take anyway.

Wrong... It's very important how the engine is broke in... If you read your owners manual(hint hint). You should be using petroleum oil for break in. It seems in most cases concerning this oil burning isssue, peeps are putting semi or full synthetic oil in to early. That being said, the cylinders are to slick for the rings to set. Especially if you're just street riding your bike!

With all of that said, American Honda is fully aware of the problem and is fixing the problem through your local Honda dealer just like many have already stated on this thread. So take your bike to your local Honda dealer and have them contact Norm Henkel District Service Mgr. for American Honda. Hope this helps some of you... Norm is down to earth and will bend over backwards to keep us Honda clientelle happy! :th_salute:

Wrong... It's very important how the engine is broke in... If you read your owners manual(hint hint). You should be using petroleum oil for break in. It seems in most cases concerning this oil burning isssue, peeps are putting semi or full synthetic oil in to early. That being said, the cylinders are to slick for the rings to set. Especially if you're just street riding your bike!


Hey man, read my post again. I did not say how you break in an engine is not important. I say it SHOULDN'T MATTER as regards to burning oil. If it does, IMO that engine has a problem, PERIOD.

I feel it's very important how you break in an engine, but not regards to oil burning. That's old school and old engines, not something made in the past 20 years or more.

Also, that is a freaking MYTH that synth oil too soon will prevent an engine from breaking in. Most high-end sports cars come with synth from the factory. Again if it does, that engine has a flaw.

FYI, I've been BUILDING ENGINES for years, not just reading stuff on the internet about it. If you want to debate with me, give me your credentials. If they are something like an engine designer for Honda, I'll back down.

If the type of oil you use, and how you break it in is what is causing these bikes to burn oil, there is something inherently wrong with the engine - bad rings, bad design, SOMETHING. No MODERN DAY engine should burn oil, PERIOD.

I'm not going to let Honda off the hook here by saying all these problems are because people didn't break in their engine correctly. There are guys on here who've had more than one of the bikes, and broken them in entirely different, and both burn oil.

The break-in procedure in the manual is very vague in fact, and doesn't list an RPM limit, oil type to use, anything like that. It merely states to avoid full-throttle starts and "rapid acceleration" for 300 miles.

Most people have come to believe that if your engine is going to burn oil, it will regardless of how you break it in. It is a DEFECT of some kind, most likely rings.

In summary, how you break in the engine MAY have something to do with the oil burning problem, but my opinion is it shouldn't. If it does that engine has a defect.

Everyone has there own opinion for sure... I'm not a Honda engineer, but a mech. engineer. I've been racing these bikes for the last 6 year and have had plenty of time tearing these motors down with one of the best engine builders known to club racing... So trust me, I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. Not trying to start a debate... But trying to help some of these guys out. That being said I've posted some valuable info. that will get these guys pointed in the right direction. American Honda has reported 3% of the US market is having this problem, and no they'll not let us the consumer know this. Hints the insider contact info. I posted to let your local dealer know who to contact. Good luck fellas 8)

Just a question, what does the sport bike manufacturers expect from the average joe on breaking in an engine,,like someone stated the manual is vague as to use dino or syn, etc. etc.
and a comparo to hard (dyno/track) and soft (manual) break in still had oil burning issues... ah never mind the vikes are kickin in.. anyway honda should man up and take care of thier customers,, I also think the clutch "upgrage" was a deterent to the oil issue

Honda is stepping up... They won't release to much info. to the consumer, but here's how it works. Honda like every other manu. needs a certain % of the same reported problem before they are required to issue any type of recall. 3% of all reported oil_burning problems in the US is not going to do it. But like I stated up above, they will look at and in most cases fix the problem once you get in contact with the right people. I've been working on my own issues with my RR making a supercharger sound, and Honda is fixing the problem.

Honda is stepping up... They won't release to much info. to the consumer, but here's how it works. Honda like every other manu. needs a certain % of the same reported problem before they are required to issue any type of recall. 3% of all reported oil_burning problems in the US is not going to do it. But like I stated up above, they will look at and in most cases fix the problem once you get in contact with the right people. I've been working on my own issues with my RR making a supercharger sound, and Honda is fixing the problem.

Ah Ok thought they were saying that the oil consumption was within limits..
gotta read more often so I'm on the same page

Ah Ok thought they were saying that the oil consumption was within limits..
gotta read more often so I'm on the same page

Leo, how are you healing bud? Now about those stands?
:th_SmlyROFL:

I was discussing this with my tuner...he's built engines for local racers here in the Bay Area. Got a very interesting email from him yesterday regarding the '08's oil consumption...

Congrats on the new origami bike;). Glad you're digging it, seems some
people either swear by them or swear at them. I've yet to work on a whole bike,
thanks for the heads up.

Change your oil every 300-400 miles until it looks relatively clear. Meaning
until it has minimal particulates in the oil. There will always be some, but
during break-in there will be a lot. For this any dino oil will do, even
automotive, if it shifts okay with it. Changing the oil this much might seem
excessive, but trust me... it will help minimize wear and potential issues down
the road. Bottom line, you will do yourself and the engine a huge favor by
changing the oil more frequently than recommended during the first 1500-2000 mi.

While all mfgs. have quirks and issues, Honda has been really slipping on
pre-cleaning and leaving machining swarf behind. Also terrible about doing
basic (min. required) deburring after machining. Basically, QA from
2000-2007 with CBRs has been spotty at best and considering the continued
oil consumption issue - I doubt 08 QA was much better. The oil burning has
been a known issue since 04 and I've seen it as far back as the 929.
It¹s not just the ring/cylinder (composition/interface), a lot of it can be
pointed to all the trash floating around in the engine. Some were assembled
cleaner than others and I believe this is why some only had minimal oil
consumption issues. Don't care what Honda says - it's not just a bad batch
of rings, this stuff has been going on for a long long time with the CBR
and it has more to do with engineering, materials application and QA.

Not trying to scare you, just a heads up to help keep that engine alive and
well. Warranty or not, it's still a hassle when an engine goes south. Change
your oil now if you haven't already.

My bike is with 1200km, was downloading a lot of oil and strange noise in the clutch and engine. she's burning too much oil.
I took to solve the problem in honda authorized, in the factory warranty.
The mechanic told me that is wear on the rod, clutch burned, and have to exchange the rings that came with factory problem.
I recommended not to use more oil that Honda recommends that Mobil Oil is a mineral. Told me to use a synthetic oil because this will give my bike back problem, but Honda says in the manual that if you use another oil loses the guarantee, but not the mechanical one, believe that mineral oil.
The bike is still allowed in the workshop, and frankly, I've had 3 R1's just walk on track and never have problem, CBR 1000RR 2008 is very weak and do not know if that will endure use in track.

My bike is with 1200km, was downloading a lot of oil and strange noise in the clutch and engine. she's burning too much oil.
I took to solve the problem in honda authorized, in the factory warranty.
The mechanic told me that is wear on the rod, clutch burned, and have to exchange the rings that came with factory problem.
I recommended not to use more oil that Honda recommends that Mobil Oil is a mineral. Told me to use a synthetic oil because this will give my bike back problem, but Honda says in the manual that if you use another oil loses the guarantee, but not the mechanical one, believe that mineral oil.
The bike is still allowed in the workshop, and frankly, I've had 3 R1's just walk on track and never have problem, CBR 1000RR 2008 is very weak and do not know if that will endure use in track.

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Who wrote about oil problems on CBR since '04 knows those bikes. I had first problem with an '04 600RR smoking bad at 3k miles, local Honda of Knoxville dealer refused to cover the warranty after kept it outside for 2 months...Honda said to sue them because they are an independent dealer, in fact Honda said "we don't care, just mess with them"; second with a TRX420 '07 FI same venue with the local "dealer" and Honda said "find a better dealer" but not that they refused to fix it under warranty (with Honda's agreement).
Now, again, anybody ready for lawsuit ? Talking doesn't fix your bikes, or stop the selling of defective bikes (or at least admitting recalls).

The truth be told, between miles 3700 to 4500 (800 Miles), my bike consumed exactly 14.5 ounces. How do I know? Used a measuring cup to add in 1 ounce at a time until it was back to full hash mark. I figure by 1000 miles I would have used almost a 1/2 quart. Is that excessive? Yes and no. When I ride normal and not accelerate past 9,000 rpm very little oil is used. But it is only when I rev it past 9000 full throttle at times or cruise on highway at near 6500 rpm does it use a little oil. The fact is most liter bikes will use more oil than 600cc's. Why? Because the rings are lighter for more power and less friction. Hence, it does not seal as well. I don't see this as a big problem and confident my blade will last 100K if I take care of it. Most people who are burning oil like mad are ringing the crap out of the motor most likely and then blaming honda.

Most people who are burning oil like mad are ringing the crap out of the motor most likely and then blaming honda.
Wrong, but if you want to believe this junk that is cool with me.

So far only one person admited that they broke their bike in sorta hard and they didnt have the issue.. So can i assume that everyone else broke their bikes in with'in tolerance of the manual?

I know people say it has nothing to do with how the bikes broke in but you have to look for something thats in common between the bikes besides the 1000rr sticker on the side.. just curious..

I hope my bike doesnt have this issue and if it does, Honda of Japan takes care of it like Honda of America..

The fact is most liter bikes will use more oil than 600cc's. Why? Because the rings are lighter for more power and less friction. Hence, it does not seal as well.


Do you have data to back this up? Why have all the past literbikes I have owned...3 R1's and an '06 GSXR1000...have had minimal oil consumption?

I find your statement preposterous.

Do you have data to back this up? Why have all the past literbikes I have owned...3 R1's and an '06 GSXR1000...have had minimal oil consumption?

I find your statement preposterous.

Been told that the newer bikes have lighter pistons rings and lighter pistons which do not seal as good(rings) and it is normal.

Been told that the newer bikes have lighter pistons rings and lighter pistons which do not seal as good(rings) and it is normal.
Consider the source..... always consider the source..

look at the oil burning vote count lately?...its been at roughly 33% percent of the 08s for months............so there is a systemic problem then you must consider that every one had to have the clutch replaced thats every 08 not just a certain vin sequence, the dealers had a hard time last summer doing the recall (Honda called it a campaign) and doing there in stock bikes as Honda wouldnt let when leave the showroom with out the new clutch basket so clutches were running short, I know of 2 bikes localy that recived new engines last year. my first 08 got a topend and bearing job. its really a shame because for nearly a year Honda barley would respond in America when the troubled started in Europe 6 months before the American launch of the 08, by the time the clutch recal hit full swing many U.S. bikes were out of warranty unless extended was purchased. by the time the oil consumption problem was really hitting the U.S. many euro bikes were getting replacement engines and were very few available for replacement in the states.........you see they have a 2 year warranty so as they were failing there we were out of warranty here or in warranty and couldnt get Honda to replace the engine because all the overstock got sucked up in Europe first! same with the clutch recal..
Overall they way it was done hurt the U.S. consumer the worse, the bikes new price plumeted making for a bitter taste for those that bought early and now for those that want to sell as the resale price is the lowest of all the litre bikes of this generation. ............how does that make you feel? maybe a little:owned:

look at the oil burning vote count lately?...its been at roughly 33% percent of the 08s for months

I seriously doubt that this thread on the 1000RR forum is an accurate representation of all owners. Someone who is having an oil burning issue or some other problem with their bike is more likely to search the Internet for answers or rant about it. Thus, the statistics on here are most likely a little skewed toward those with problems.

Tedebear I do agree with you however, I have heard many shops that I called across the country admit they have seen, or if they have not seen do know of others that burn oil. My 08 blade does burn about 1/2 quart every 1000 miles but only when I really go high in the revs. If I ride normal hardly consumes anything. I think more than anything else it just wicks off from heat since lighter weight oils generally tend to do just that. I'd be willing to bet if I put 10w40 I would get less consumption.

I seriously doubt that this thread on the 1000RR forum is an accurate representation of all owners. Someone who is having an oil burning issue or some other problem with their bike is more likely to search the Internet for answers or rant about it. Thus, the statistics on here are most likely a little skewed toward those with problems.ok? its a snapshot of the people on this forum and 33% have a "PROBLEM" sorry if you dont believe it.....try googling 08 Honda CBR 1000 RR oil consumption............but im at 50% one did and one didnt how would you like to loose around 4000 in 6 months on a bike that had to be rebuilt in less than 3500 miles? not angry but you must understand that all this and a bad economy has seen a bigger price drop on the Honda than all the others, why is subjective but to say that it didnt hurt the value of the 08 both as a new purchase and resale isnt accurate.....and Ted there are those that live with it using oil and dont care cuz they got it so cheap...what will it do in 2 more years when no one will touch it cuz it smokes like a mosqito sprayer at summer in Florida:th_SmlyROFL: by the way goggle lowest new price on a 08 Honda 1K and check that out............:th_salute:

ok? its a snapshot of the people on this forum and 33% have a "PROBLEM" sorry if you dont believe it.....try googling 08 Honda CBR 1000 RR oil consumption............but im at 50% one did and one didnt how would you like to loose around 4000 in 6 months on a bike that had to be rebuilt in less than 3500 miles? not angry but you must understand that all this and a bad economy has seen a bigger price drop on the Honda than all the others, why is subjective but to say that it didnt hurt the value of the 08 both as a new purchase and resale isnt accurate.....and Ted there are those that live with it using oil and dont care cuz they got it so cheap...what will it do in 2 more years when no one will touch it cuz it smokes like a mosqito sprayer at summer in Florida:th_SmlyROFL: by the way goggle lowest new price on a 08 Honda 1K and check that out............:th_salute:

I never said that I don't believe 33% of the owners on this forum reported a problem. I indicated that this forum is not a scientific sampling of the percentage of owners who do have an oil problem. As I said (again), people with a problem about their motorcycle, car, TV or whatever are more likely to jump on the Internet and research it and probably vent off a little steam in the process rather than the many happy owners who do not have a gripe to get off their chest. I've heard 3% of the 08s have the oil burning issue.

Even if they had to get the motor rebuilt after 3,500 miles it's covered under the factory warranty. In my case I bought mine for less than $7,500 OTD and that included a lifetime engine warranty. Kelly Blue Book lists the USED value on mine for around $800 more than I bought it new in December.

The lower cost/huge rebate has nothing to do with the oil burning issue. It has everything to do with the horrible economy and honda simply building too many. Kawi now offers huge rebates. The word is yami is next and suzuki isn't even sending 2010s to the dealers cause they still have a ton of 09s to sell. Honda simply took action first in trying to get these bikes off the dealer floor. Zero to do with oil consumption imo. The motorcycle industry WORLDWIDE is in trouble.

In my case I bought mine for less than $7,500 OTD and that included a lifetime engine warranty. . how do you get a lifetime engine warranty:th_SmlyROFL:

My blade burns about 1/2 quart every 1000 miles but only does so when I rev it high. If I just keep it under 6,000 burns very little. Lighter rings will not seal as good as heavier ones so not worried at all. The only concern I have is every time I take off at low rpm I can hear my valves chatter slightly. Dealer said it is not a ping or knock, it's just the way bikes are. Do any of you hear metallic noises taking off from stop light?

My blade burns about 1/2 quart every 1000 miles but only does so when I rev it high. If I just keep it under 6,000 burns very little. Lighter rings will not seal as good as heavier ones so not worried at all. The only concern I have is every time I take off at low rpm I can hear my valves chatter slightly. Dealer said it is not a ping or knock, it's just the way bikes are. Do any of you hear metallic noises taking off from stop light?Is it mor like a rattle? mine has some sort of rattle noise I took it in cuz to me it sounded like a cam chain tensioner.. dealer said it was normal but its louder than when I first got it so it would seem that its getting looser what ever it is I the checked the ballancer gear backlash and it was a little off but didnt affect the rattle I have...If you look thru the service manual there are so many different gear color combos for the same clutch in the same year engine it makes you wonder did they have to play with combinations to make it right and what does that do when the whole clutch basket is replaced and does that require a new adjustment to the balancer gear backlash besides the fact that the main difference between the two clutches is the location of the judder spring is that a mistake in the manufacturing proccess or distributer...see pages 10-9..10-10... 10-19...12-21

how do you get a lifetime engine warranty:th_SmlyROFL:


From Southern Honda PowerSports (http://www.southernhonda.com/pages/newvehicles/viewmodel/25/37/423/2008/honda-cbr1000rr.aspx). It was included with every 08 CBR1000RR (and probably others) at no additional charge.

From Southern Honda PowerSports (http://www.southernhonda.com/pages/newvehicles/viewmodel/25/37/423/2008/honda-cbr1000rr.aspx). It was included with every 08 CBR1000RR (and probably others) at no additional charge.
so is that lifetime from Honda or them as I am unaware that honda will do more than 4 years on theres....?Ijsut went there 7200 plus lifetime warranty ..WOW I asked for just a year extra aftre they rebuilt mine with 3500 miles on it and they said no.....that warranty goes a long way..tomarow when there open Im going to ask about it in detail Thanks for pointing it out lets see what the dynamics of it is before i get all excited

so is that lifetime from Honda or ...

It is a third party (not Honda not SHP) warranty on the engine only.

so is that lifetime from Honda or them as I am unaware that honda will do more than 4 years on theres....?Ijsut went there 7200 plus lifetime warranty ..WOW I asked for just a year extra aftre they rebuilt mine with 3500 miles on it and they said no.....that warranty goes a long way..tomarow when there open Im going to ask about it in detail Thanks for pointing it out lets see what the dynamics of it is before i get all excited
I have this same warranty from Southern through Interstate along with the 5-year HondaCare from Honda. I can email you a pdf copy of the lifetime engine warranty agreement from Interstate if you want to check all the small line details. If you want it, send a pm with your email addy.

Hey guys new on here. Just bought a 08 1000rr and will be picking it up on friday. Should all of this work have been done by the dealer before they sell it? Im wondering if Im going to have to ask about the clutch problem or if it will have already been done before they will let it out the door.

Hey guys new on here. Just bought a 08 1000rr and will be picking it up on friday. Should all of this work have been done by the dealer before they sell it? Im wondering if Im going to have to ask about the clutch problem or if it will have already been done before they will let it out the door.
Yes, it should all already be done. Look for two marks on the vin on the neck, not the frame.

Yes, it should all already be done. Look for two marks on the vin on the neck, not the frame. to marks on the neck? hadnt heard about that just were on the neck is it close to rt /lft?? ill go look for mine but Ive never noticed anything before:thumbsup:

to marks on the neck? hadnt heard about that just were on the neck is it close to rt /lft?? ill go look for mine but Ive never noticed anything before:thumbsup:
Yes, two punch marks. This vin plate is on the left side of the steering stem. There should be two punch marks on the bike's VIN, above the "J" for the hose clamp and below the last digit for the clutch.

Yes, two punch marks. This vin plate is on the left side of the steering stem. There should be two punch marks on the bike's VIN, above the "J" for the hose clamp and below the last digit for the clutch.

WOW thats some great info there. Where did you find that out?

WOW thats some great info there. Where did you find that out?
I used the search function up near the top of the page and found this: http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69014

got the punch below after last digit but cant really tell about the first one

So Honda shipped my bike back to Japan in January and they didnt do the update to the clutch. How this bike sat in a warehouse for years but never got the update done is beyond me.
I was told that this update is only for America and Honda of Japan doesnt see it as necessary. In other words, they do not update the J-spec bikes. The update is available to me and will be paid for by HONDA but i still wonder what makes the US Spec bikes require this mod.. I havnt gotten it done yet.. im probably going to get it done next winter..

Does anyone know if this update is available to any other countries besides the USA?

So you are in Japan and had your bike hipped there? Is it an oil burner?

The US bikes have a lot more power than the Japanese bikes from what I have read. I think they are limited to around a 100 hp. That could be why Honda Japan finds it unnecessary.

So you are in Japan and had your bike hipped there? Is it an oil burner?

The US bikes have a lot more power than the Japanese bikes from what I have read. I think they are limited to around a 100 hp. That could be why Honda Japan finds it unnecessary.

I didnt have it shipped. Honda shipped alot of 08 CBR's (US Spec) back to Japan to resale because they can make a killing over here on Full power bikes. I bought it here.

But Japanese cbr1000rr is rated at 119whp if i remember correctly. But i understand that part, but Malaysian, UK, EVERYWHERE else has the Full power bikes, but they only have this update available for the US SPEC bike.. or as far as we can tell. Thats why i asked if anyone from another country have heard of this.

and i dont know about the oil burning yet. only have about 200 miles on the bike right now. Lots of work recently and crappy weather.

Here is a LONG thread about the update. http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58146&highlight=clutch+update I read a lot of it but that was a while back. I don't recall if it affected anyone outside the US.

That is interesting that Honda can bring back bikes and sell the full power version without restricting. Hopefully the weather improves for you so you can get out and ride!

Here is a LONG thread about the update. http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58146&highlight=clutch+update I read a lot of it but that was a while back. I don't recall if it affected anyone outside the US.

That is interesting that Honda can bring back bikes and sell the full power version without restricting. Hopefully the weather improves for you so you can get out and ride!

I "read thru" that thread also.. didnt notice anything.. But as far as Japan goes with ふるぱわー(full power) bikes, its a loop hole. Domestic models have to be restricted, but re-imports are fine, because they were never made for the Japanese market..
In saying that though, This year i have noticed some Full power domestic models on the market.. not sure if they are modified as i cant read that much Japanese, but i know they are full power and domestic..

rumor on oil burning my @$$ heres pics of my oil burner http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70292&page=9

My 08 FireBlade now burns about 2 quarts/500 miles with about 4,000 miles on it, and I keep oil by the gallons on hand. Honda won't do anything because:
1) There is not enough smoke
2) It hasn't caused my engine to quit running (yet).

The bike is getting harder to start in the mornings. I feel there is a loose of compression, and maybe it is the plugs being fowled, as well. The consumption is progressing over time. The millage has been digressing over time as well (It should be the opposite). The warranty on the bike is up in two months. The Honda customer care (not the shop), claims there is no limit where a bike is burning too much oil, it's all about how badly it smokes, but I don't know how they measure that. The Honda shop admits there is a problem but wont do anything because Honda won't back them up.

The oil is getting burned up pretty well, there's not a lot of smoke, just patches between light use and cleaning out during harder use. In the mornings it will blow a light cloud of smoke. And after a ride it fills my garage with the smells of gas fumes (more so when there is less gas in the tank). There is a lot of heat coming from that engine and muffler direction. Even with thick riding boots, on a warm day my feet get very HOT with about 10 miles! I didn't have this problem with any other bikes, including the last 954. Some of the heat comes from the engine case, which not isolated by a fairing. But, I seen any complaints about the heat yet, maybe it is unique to my lemon.

Anyway, oil has been spattering from day one. At the first 600 mile oil change (~500 miles), oil didn't register on the dipstick. I kept the bike under 9K RPMs during break in, for the most part. I went over 9K once or twice, for a second or two. However, I never hit over 10.5K, which is not a warranty voider, and should be fine, in theory anyway. Red line is 12K, and that is what the bike are tested for. I am sure once I find a lawyer, Honda will fix the problem and pay the lawyer's fees, as stated under the TX lemon law. However, my warranty will be shot so when the next engine does the same thing I have no where to go. I would buy and extended warranty, but we can see what that really get you. They should just take care of the problem. Most people, including myself, are too passive to do _anything_. Others don't ride enough to know they are having issues. A lot of people just leave their bikes sitting in the garage. It should be known that Honda is behaving badly. The shop said they began behaving this way when the recession hit.

Also, there are a lot of other people out there with the same problem. Look at the exhausts on 08 and 09 Fireblades. Some are clean as a whistle and others are spattered with oil. You don't have to troll the Internet to see this. Chances of seeing a 08rr with a dirty dripping exhaust are very frequent. Other bikes don't have the oil burning reputation for a reason. Usually the few that do burn oil from the factory get fixed. If there where only a few oil burners Honda would opt to fix those few as a cheap way of keeping their name clean, if nothing else. But, it appears there is an epidemic of oil burners. They must have calculated that it would be cheaper to fight the problem with Internet trolls. I had no intentions of making my voice heard, but the Honda trolls have drawn this troll out of the wood works.

There will be retributions.

They must have calculated that it would be cheaper to fight the problem with Internet trolls. I had no intentions of making my voice heard, but the Honda trolls have drawn this troll out of the wood works.




There will be retributions.

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