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post #1 of 38 Old 02-08-2017, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
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061Krr Suspension- Spend my Money

Iím thinking about what I want to do to the suspension of my 06 1krr. My last round of suspension upgrades was on my 02 F4i and I was satisfied. I got a great deal on an Ohlins shock and Racetech compression Gold Valve kit and I got the forks done by Ed of Trackside Engineering. Ed put in some RT 1.0 springs and a GSXR Showa rebound valve with a custom shim stack. I did minor tweaks from where it was set when he sent it to me and Iíve never had a problem with the front end, except for when I let a hack twiddle with it at a trackday a couple years ago. I sent that Ohlins shock to Dan Kyle and he resprung it and sent it back to me. If an old email properly documents the situation, altogether including having a Honda dealer install a new swingarm thrown in the Ohlins deal was about $1,400.

I got my 1krr in July 2016 and Iíve had some teething pains with it, but thanks to my good buddy Will I was able to make at least 1 trackday weekend at the end of the 2016 season, and Iím happy about that. Will changed out the fork seals due to them leaking and I forgot to ask him what oil he used .

Sadly Iíve never set sag on the 1k or turned any suspension knobs (I do think I know what Iím doing) because I wanted to see what was there based on feel/ performance, etc and I felt that the bike performed consistently on the street and track- canít say the same for her pilotís track manners.

Only undesirable track behavior I noticed was an occasional tendency to feel vague and/or to feel like itís pushing the front in T5 at NCBike, which is a long sweeping left- a keyhole actually. There were also a couple instances of feeling a reluctance to steer in a couple corners.

I suspect that my 215lbs was too much for the rear end of the bike (at whatever setting itís at) and a rear loaded geometry and insufficient throttle roll-on in T5 to get the bikeís rear to anti-squat could explain the handling ďissuesĒ.

To remedy, I plan to first take some measurements and see if my hypothesis hold true, then Iíve narrowed down my selections of parts to throw at the bike. Iíve decided that a revalve/ respring fits within my budget, riding intentions (1-mostly street; I like to commute to work and attend the occasional social event and 2- I would like to do a few more trackdays; I have 4 school days already booked for 2017 May) and the fact that I want bang for the buck and the engineering side of me knows that a name and label donít come with PixieDustô (LoL).

Iíve narrowed down the choices to either Racetech to do the front and rear or GP Suspensions for the same. I havenít done a price comparison, hoping and believing they would both be in the same ballpark and $100 shouldnít sway me too much. Iíve gotten a knowledgeable 3rd party recommendation towards GP and that I shouldnít need front springs with their setup.

I was interested in your guysí thoughts. More importantly, for those that have read this far, Iíd like to hear from those that have done both or either on the K6/7 Fireblade and their subjective opinions. Iíd also like some subjective opinions about the customer experiences of dealing with either or both.

Thank you

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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post #2 of 38 Old 02-08-2017, 04:18 PM
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I can make them better than anything else ever marketed to the consumer for the 04-07 1000RR when it was in its prime and give you the ability to correct the geometry as well, but it doesn't come cheap...

Without trying to sound like an elitist prick, you tend to get what you pay for when it comes to motorcycle suspension. If you want to spend a little you will get a little improvement in return.

If you want to spend a lot you will never have a need for more performance out of the suspension, but you have to decide how much improvement you want. It's your bike and your money, but what you are really getting for the price paid is a greater margin of safety and a larger margin of error so you can ride faster with less drama.
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I'm interested to see if you're in the financial league I'm playing in. Otherwise, I'm open to what you have to say.

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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I can make them better than anything else ever marketed to the consumer for the 04-07 1000RR when it was in its prime and give you the ability to correct the geometry as well, but it doesn't come cheap...

Without trying to sound like an elitist prick, you tend to get what you pay for when it comes to motorcycle suspension. If you want to spend a little you will get a little improvement in return.

If you want to spend a lot you will never have a need for more performance out of the suspension, but you have to decide how much improvement you want. It's your bike and your money, but what you are really getting for the price paid is a greater margin of safety and a larger margin of error so you can ride faster with less drama.
This reminds me Mike, I think its near time to send my Ohlin forks and shock to you for some TLC.

To the OP, like Mike said, you get what you pay for, do it right the first time. Best money spent. Forget bling, engines mods ect. Any 1k bike has plenty of power, suspension, suspension, suspension. Kind of like real estate and location.

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post #5 of 38 Old 02-09-2017, 03:39 PM Thread Starter
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Still waiting for LDH to chime back in.

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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Sorry... Been stompin busy getting suspension oil on everything this week

http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/04-07-CB...it-0407NIX.htm
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And the rear?

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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Sorry... Been stompin busy getting suspension oil on everything this week

http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/04-07-CB...it-0407NIX.htm
Am I understanding correctly that would be swapping the internals with a cartridge kit and fork caps? No visual upgrade like depicted?

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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Wait....LDH is Mike from Kyle racing?

I bought my ohlins for my CB from you and never put that together.

I'm McDirty on .us btw

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Today's ride.... first street ride post trackday- I always hate it and today proved true to form. I was thinking (perhaps overthinking?) about the suspension and chassis manners. Harsh, nervous and vague. The bike or the rider???

As I got more comfortable, the speed came to me and with it, the feeling of stability and bump absorption. It's the same settings that I ran the track with but I definitely feel that it needs...something but I'm not sure what. Less compression damping is for one and possibly less rebound.

-2006 CBR1000RR- Jardine RT-1 CF, GP Shift rearsets, GP Suspensions 20mm revalve, Penske 8987 triple clicker (more upgrades in progress)
-2013 CBR250R-ABS (Hers and now SOLD)
-2002 CBR600F4i (Track/Street) (was mine and now hers)
ZG Dbl Bbl, Galfer SS Lines, PC3r, Muzzy s/o, K&N air filter, NRC stator cover, ShiftMinder(WTF?), Fireblade brakes, Gold Rearsets, undercut gears, Factory Pro Shift Kit, Ohlins-Racetech&Showa custom Suspension
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