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post #21 of 37 Old 12-26-2018, 03:08 AM
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If you return to stock shifting pattern what is the result?

The stock QS is particularly sensitive to angle changes at the shift shaft/shift lever junction (the lever at the top of the shift rod).

Ten Kate did extensive testing and both with stock rear sets and with their rear sets noted that maintaining a 90* angle at that junction is critical.

Ten Kate and Honda Racing UK have run the stock Honda QS mechanism on both Superstock and Superbike class bikes on circuit tracks and road race courses with great success using both the stock ECU flashed and the HRC ECU.

The successful installs all maintain that 90* angle, whether stock or GP shift.



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post #22 of 37 Old 12-26-2018, 02:31 PM
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A 90-degree angle, check.
I know from past experience that the 90-degree junction is a must.
I have not tried it in normal/street shift pattern as all my bikes are GP shift
When I installed the QS I made sure I had the 90 degree angle - result was inconsistent upshifts
I then moved the shift lever down, more like 95-100 degree - result was smooth shifts EXCEPT at full throttle.
My thought was that by reversing the shift pattern, that moved the shift shaft from vertical to a slightly 11 o'clock position, so by moving the shift lever to 95ish degrees I maintain a 90 degree angle between the shift shaft and shift lever (hope I'm explaining this correctly). Maybe another 5 degrees will cure it, maybe not.

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Also RC45, followed your work before I purchased this bike. Steered me away from a lot of the usual mods: rearsets, gearing changes etc
I'm considering moving back to the 190/50 rear and adjusting geometry to quicken the steering if that will resolve the QS problem.

I originally went to get a 17 R1, but this bike was $5K cheaper and will only see weekend canyon rides. I have a dedicated track/race bike with NO ELECTRONICS

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This would be a great experiment - don't make any changes except tire size back to 190/50 and see if issue resolves.

Ten Kate determined during testing that any time the bike (stock or HRC ECU) does now the correct wheel speed QS is disabled. It is possible once you pass certain RPM the speed differential of the rear tire to front tire moves out of bounds and the QS gets disabled until speeds come back in line.

This is why in the HRC ECU, maintaining gear and tire diameter tables at the correct values is so critical and why it is so infuriating that the stock ECU does not offer at least tire diameter setting.



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BTW, this is the 90* angle we are discussing - also note how the stock QS was used for Hutchinsons unique right hand shift pedal setup.





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Yup, we are talking about the same angle, mine is just rotated over for reverse shift with stock rearsets.
I'm going to try the 190/50 rear, lower to front to get the same chassis geometry and see how that affects the QS.
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BTW, this is the 90* angle we are discussing - also note how the stock QS was used for Hutchinsons unique right hand shift pedal setup.


What rear sets are these??

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What rear sets are these??
The black rear-sets in the first picture?

Ten Kate rear sets.



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They look like they will hit the lower fairing, where the shift rod meets the shift lever (bottom)

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They look like they will hit the lower fairing, where the shift rod meets the shift lever (bottom)
Nope. These are run on lots of builds. The image above is mid install.






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