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RC45/Paul K . does that answer your question ?
Sure, I was just looking for a way for you to answer the question someone had about how optimistic the Dalton dyno was shrug
 

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Oh a lot of different, the first run just to get the ECU flashed and get a baseline number , change pretty much everything any bolt on they offer , then I used affordable Motorsports in Dalton GA we messed with it for 3 days first day was raining and we pulled 186 the last day was hot as hell and pulled 183 I think he's Dyno is a little high I would say on a true Dyno number should be around 176-178ish
Did you remove your cat?
 

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So every time I tell people these bike are good for 150 stock, 170 derstricted and 175 with a full exhaust I have been spot on each time.

I like it when other people prove my statements for me. 🚀🏍😎

But the focus on ultimate dyno number is still a mistake in my opinion, numbers are just that, numbers - I still think throttle tuned bikes are quicker and more responsive across the entire rev range than ‘numbers’ bikes. 👍
 

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So every time I tell people these bike are good for 150 stock, 170 derstricted and 175 with a full exhaust I have been spot on each time.

I like it when other people prove my statements for me. 🚀🏍😎

But the focus on ultimate dyno number is still a mistake in my opinion, numbers are just that, numbers - I still think throttle tuned bikes are quicker and more responsive across the entire rev range than ‘numbers’ bikes. 👍
i agree we over lay the dyno curves and the honda has more power all the way to red line that's when r1 and gsxr would have more power , you can take a 1000cc bike thats been tuned right with less power at the top and kill a bad tune bike with more top end power
 

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i agree we over lay the dyno curves and the honda has more power all the way to red line that's when r1 and gsxr would have more power , you can take a 1000cc bike thats been tuned right with less power at the top and kill a bad tune bike with more top end power
Now imagined the SP2 .. we got more top end power as well (y)
 

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whats the different's motor ?
The SP2 has a unique cylinder head. Smaller included valve angle, bigger valves, better flow path. Different cams and springs.

This is the reason the SP2 exists - it was a mechanism to homologate the cylinder head for FIM SuperStock and SuperBike competition. The SC82 uses a further refinement of the SP2 head with finger followers to allow for stock rev limit of 14,500rpm and kit revlimit of 15,100rpm.
Interestingly the SC82 top end "kit" is just very short maintenance period.

SP2 with HRC race kit cams and springs has a 14,500rpm limit.
 

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if the first run was at Moore with 167 and I dyno tune in Dalton at 183-186 how the hell would the final number be at Moore ?
i watched the you tube video of the red bike done 2 weeks before yours after the flash and dyno run on the bike he zoomed over the dash on the bike the traction control light and check engine lite was on. did he shut off the front wheel speed sensor? your bike pulled similar numbers and you said your check engine light was on. might explain daltons numbers being higher. he did say red cbr was the first one he done.might not have known to shut it off for the dyno run.
 

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I'm guessing he is referring to the wheel sensor aka Traction control
Yeah, my question was a leading one. I really wish more dyno tuners actually understood the mechanism behind the bikes and the tuning software.
But sadly most don't - I have even had one big name tell me directly that they are not interested in how any of "this shit" works.

All that the option is doing is telling the ECU to ignore the front wheel speed sensor fault error. The absence of a "passing grade" for the front wheel speed sensor still means all features of the bike are disabled. Quick Shifter, Torque Management and ABS,

The reason for forcing the ECU to ignore the error is that it will often shut the bike down on the run down from a top end run - as when you are on the dyno.
 

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. . . I have even had one big name tell me directly that they are not interested in how any of "this shit" works. . .
Well, that sure shows the company is 'money' motivated rather than 'service' motivated!:mad: Sign of the times, I guess

Any company with that attitude would not get my business.
 

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Well, that sure shows the company is 'money' motivated rather than 'service' motivated!:mad: Sign of the times, I guess

Any company with that attitude would not get my business.
And sadly the bloke makes a shit ton of money doing tunes and builds even with this attitude.
I learned a long time ago quality of service and quality product are not always needed for huge financial success - all that is needed is a long list of customers.
 

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We turned the " Traction control" off on the heads up Display not in the ecu , was that the wrong way ?
Yes. As the traction control has nothing to with it. Stock the bike is not going to spin the tire on the dyno unless its not strapped down properly or the tire is shot.
Setting T0 doesn't disable ABS, or Quickshifter (both are systems that are disabled is a wheel speed sensor is not sending a signal). T0 simply stops the bike from intervening if the rear wheel spins or the bike wheelies.
 
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