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I was watching an AMA race last night and noticed the in the 600 class there where 1000's ( Buell 1025 or 1125 & Aprilia RSV 1000 ) wtf is going on ? DMG or who ever they are really are f 'ing the AMA up . Sorry if this is a repost
 

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DMG, and yea I think it's sad that the same bike they run in the Superbike class they run in the supersport class.

Even though they suck, still! WTF!!!!!!!!!
 

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It bugging me also. Not sure if the 600 are allowed more mods to the motor or what, but it sure looks fishy. I heard you give up 20 percent with a twin, but 50 percent.....??? Wasn't that long ago the rc51 was winning in the 1000 class.
I remember reading they gave buel some chaise changes that no one else got.
 

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I was watching an AMA race last night and noticed the in the 600 class there where 1000's ( Buell 1025 or 1125 & Aprilia RSV 1000 ) wtf is going on ? DMG or who ever they are really are f 'ing the AMA up . Sorry if this is a repost
supposedly the v-twins are neutered to power match the 600's, but the buell lol. It's sad that the only American manufacturer builds a bike with a foreign engine and then doesn't have the balls to just man up and race it only as a superbike. Oh no they had go on and cut a deal with DMG so they could race in the 600 class. Sad :th_down:
 

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What is sad to me is the buells are only competative with bikes half their displacement
 

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the disparity is the extended displacement afforded to the buell. If you look at the bikes eligible for the class, the 600s, the 675, the aprilla 1000 twin, ducati 848 and buell 1125R.

Now DMG thinks (maybe correctly) that to make this series huge in the states, that they have to get an American Bike contending for the lead (forget the fact it's now a Rotax engine...). And using their idea of a fan base (Nascar, pretty patriotic group) they are probably right that their fans will praise a bike's country of origin.

Where I call foul and get very upset with this whole deal is that if you are going to allow an 1125 cc twin from buell, you have to afford Ducati (or any one else for that matter) the same. But they don't. Ducati has a 1098, 1098 < 1125, let them run it. Of course they won't because it would have a large advantage over the rest of the class.

To say it's biased is an understatement.
 

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DMG, and yea I think it's sad that the same bike they run in the Superbike class they run in the supersport class.

Even though they suck, still! WTF!!!!!!!!!
Not the same bike. The SS bike is a V-twin, the superbike is the RSV4. That said, a lot of people believe the Beulls have a distinct advantage but others argue if that were true you would see more of them at the head of the pack (not just Eslick). Also they haven't been setting fastest lap times.
 

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the disparity is the extended displacement afforded to the buell. If you look at the bikes eligible for the class, the 600s, the 675, the aprilla 1000 twin, ducati 848 and buell 1125R.

Now DMG thinks (maybe correctly) that to make this series huge in the states, that they have to get an American Bike contending for the lead (forget the fact it's now a Rotax engine...). And using their idea of a fan base (Nascar, pretty patriotic group) they are probably right that their fans will praise a bike's country of origin.

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Your spot on Kill. I agree that it is the correct way of thinking its just unfortunate like you say that to obtain that goal they had to go the 600 route.

Now if they dumbed down the Superbike modification limits to a level that would allow Buell to maybe hang in there a little closer I'd have been all for it. They certainly have placed greater limitations on the superbikes, but apparently its not enough for Buells liking.

I just don't get why they don't trash that whole frame geometry setup, I'm sure its great on the street, but damn just drop it already and build a real liter frame.
 

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Americans would definately be more interested in road racing if there was an American team winning races. And your average person might not know there is a foriegn motor in the Buell. But Im saying that Americans SHOULD just get pissed ad HD/Buell that the only way they can win a race is by conning DMG/AMA into allowing them to race with bikes nearly half their size.....So much for a big bad American company, they are pussies and they need to build a compareable, competitive, same-displacement bike before real sportbike riders will ever pay respect!
 

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I don't think the blame lies with buell so much as it does DMG. DMG is using Buell to make their series more marketable. It may or may not work, and the Buell isn't at such an advantage that it's unbeatable, but still the parity is unfair. If your Buell and they say you can run against the 6's, you're a fool not too. DMG should ultimately require Buell to come up with a 1000cc twin that's competitive and make them run that. I only choose that number because it's the 2nd highest displacement (aprillia) that's on the grid. Then, you've got to allow duc to run 999 as well. You can't vary displacement requirements on a manufacturer basis. Physical engine layout, sure. But draw a line in the sand for All Twins and then a separate for all 4s if need be.
 

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It depends on whether is was buell charming dmg or the other way around to get the whole thing done.....either way it all reminds me of the bubba shobert era flattrack days when honda pulled out after winning the championship a few years in a row and HD convincine AMA to change the rules and help them to be more competitive.....
 

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I don't think the blame lies with buell so much as it does DMG. DMG is using Buell to make their series more marketable. It may or may not work, and the Buell isn't at such an advantage that it's unbeatable, but still the parity is unfair. If your Buell and they say you can run against the 6's, you're a fool not too. DMG should ultimately require Buell to come up with a 1000cc twin that's competitive and make them run that. I only choose that number because it's the 2nd highest displacement (aprillia) that's on the grid. Then, you've got to allow duc to run 999 as well. You can't vary displacement requirements on a manufacturer basis. Physical engine layout, sure. But draw a line in the sand for All Twins and then a separate for all 4s if need be.
True. Maybe this arrangement will only last for a year, but with the Buell actually getting beat on occassion it wont be as easy to justify as if it were say laying pipe every race on the 600's. Sad to say, but I think the engines good, its all that American stuff around it thats keeping it slow lol. I wish our 1 production manufacturer could remove its head from its pie hole. Then on the opposite end of the spectrum you have "motoczyz"(sure I spelled that wrong) with a bike so damn advanced they cant get it into production :gay:
 

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All I know is that I can't figure out what the rules are in the ama this year and DMG is not going out of it way to explain them.
These guys took stock cars and turn them into wierd not produced for sale production car. I'm sure they would love to do the same here. HD good make all the frames!
 

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Not the same bike. The SS bike is a V-twin, the superbike is the RSV4.
No it isn't. Both the Buell SS and SBK bikes are Rotax powered, 1125cc Vtwins. The RSV4 is an inhouse Aprilia powerplant and isn't even available to anyone except the factory Aprilia WSBK teams. :beat:
 

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This is nothing new, welcome to 4 years ago. Each roadracing org offers variables within a class. Do a search for XBRR and AMA and see what you get, Buell built a race specific bike that was not street licensable and somehow it was allowed into superbike races when it should have been a GP class machine. If it'd placed on the podium someone would have protested it off.

this is just more of the same.
 

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It is not easy to cater to all bike manufacturers and displacements. Can anyone say that the Buell would be great for Superbike,,,, well of course not, so they have to try to make it fit somewhere. Unfortunately, with any racing organizations you will probably see rules next year to combat certain issues.

Heck there is a reason that there is a ASRA Thunderbike series, because the bikes hardly compete at the other levels. If they last the whole race.

Eslick's a good guy and is playing by the rules. Good to see the bike is running well and lasting the whole race. I don't believe he will win a championship on the bike, though he is doing very well. I just can't put up with hearing people whine when losing. I may not watch another race if Hacking gives a pouty, incinuative, answer like he did a couple weeks ago. Take one on the chin and get him next week, give them some props.
 
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