19 SP What brembo master? 17 or 19 rcs?

Team FTB said:

My current bike is a Triumph 765 RS that has the Brembo M50 with the Brembo (excuse me if I get this wrong) MC that has 17,19,20. Not sure if this is an increasing Master cylinder piston size or a pivot ratio. I am looking at upgrading to a 17-19 Honda cbr1000 rr SP1 that It seems has the same Brembo M50 calipers. I go through stock brembo pads in 10k KM just being ridden in canyons on the Triumph. When I upgrade to the SP1 with more weight and HP I fear with the same brake setup I will be underwhelmed. Overheating the fluid has not been a concern of mine yet as I run high temp Brake fluid and the pads are not crumbling or indicating overheating. What would be the next step up in brake performance to get more stopping power out of the 17-19 SP1? I already run the Master cylinder on the Triumph set at 20 as it takes less effort to get the power I'm looking for though losing a bit of feel over 19. The ideal way is to buy a 2020 S1 with the Styleema but those are more than twice as expensive here in Thailand.

Thanks in advance.

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09_Blade said:

I was mistaken in my previous statement. The Brembo calipers that come with the bike are not true Brembo M4's. They are basically an OEM caliper with Brembo logo as far as I can tell. Same piston size as OEM.

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RC45 said:

To be 100% accurate in the description, they are simply the very same Brembo calipers as those fitted to the 2014, 2015 and 2016 SPs.
So as much Brembo ;lineage as folks were willing to give the 14/15/16 SP brakes, these are the same.
The Nissin master cylinder of course is unique to the SC77 range.

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Which brake pads-‘17-‘19 SP’s wt Brembo M4’s

Which pads are we all using on our ‘17-‘19 SP’s wt oem Brembo M4 calipers? Mostly aggressive street/canyon riding along wt a handful of track days. OEM Brembo M4 caliper specific.

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jdgun said:

Team FTB
Welcome, and as you know most Triumphs have very good brake set ups on them from the get go (superior to the SP 1 in everyway)
On the Sp 1, to start there is not much weight difference between the bikes. as for calipers it has a semi M4 caliper.. think 2011 675R, but instead of it having the (4) 34mm pistons like it should, these have a (2) 32mm (2) 34 piston in them, and they are paired with rubber lines and not so great brake master. The system can be better, but you need to bypass the abs, and do stainless lines at a minimum. Not sure why but like many people no matter what they do the lever never feels rock solid if the ABS is in the loop. I have talked to quite a few now, and done plenty of modding with mine, only thing left to try is pulling the fuse before i bypass the ABS.

The caliper can work fine
a Brembo 19x18/20 RCS will be better than what is on it
Stainless lines..
this will be somewhat close to what your used to with the triumph.

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Team FTB said:

Thank you so much for the detailed responses from yourself and others. Darn I was hoping the 17-19 SP1 had the M50. In the switch to the Honda I actually don't want to lose any braking capacity at all. Rather than paying the equivalent of $15k more dollars for a new 2020 SP1 with the Styleema calipers what would i need to purchase to make the brakes on a 17-19 S1 at least as good than the M50's on my Triumph 765 RS? I can start a new thread if that is preferred.

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derchef said:

To be accurate:
Calipers are brembo , were made on honda specs in brembo

Which brake pads-‘17-‘19 SP’s wt Brembo M4’s

Which pads are we all using on our ‘17-‘19 SP’s wt oem Brembo M4 calipers? Mostly aggressive street/canyon riding along wt a handful of track days. OEM Brembo M4 caliper specific.

www.1000rr.net

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derchef said:

get some brembo gp4rs with ZCOO pads and a rcs or rsc corsacorta master .
if you do not know which size of master cylinder you can calculate the ratio and than decide which kind of response at the brake lever you will have.

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jdgun said:

There is loads of options, don't let brakes dictate a purchase of the bike. if you bypass the ABS, slap on stainless lines then you can decide from there where you may want to go.. you do not hear of people who who bypassed it and changed the lines complaining.

Just putting it out there and as derchef said, if you really like the M50 calipers, then they make the 108mm version of them, the GP4RS ( i have them on my 10R) those with stainless lines and a 17 corsa corta RCS, and brembo hpk rotors.. The combo has tons of feel and more than enough power to get the back wheel off the ground with a passenger.

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Team FTB said:

Ok this answers the brake queries for me thank you. I shall do as derchef and jdgun suggested and get the gp4rs calipers as the M50's I love on the Triumph I have, combined with the Brembo RCS 19. Thank you guys.

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