Hey guys, I ran the bike today for about hour and a half and the ABS light on the guage started flashing constantly and never stopped until I pulled over and turned the bike off. It went off so I started heading home it started flashing again. The brake lever was pretty firm the time using the brake lever. The second time it was firm on the initial squeeze then a hitch and the loose all in one pull. When that happened the light started again. So I pulled over, turned the bike off, waited a minuted and started to head home again. It did the same thing when I went to use them again but the brakes still worked. Made it home and parked her in the garage. I'm calling Honda in the morning. The bike has 3600 miles on it....
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Hi guys,
In our nightmare I'm happy to see that I'm not alone...!
Sorry for my english, I'm from France
Thanks a lot for all your tests and report, there are really helpfull.
I've just written a second letter to Honda France this evening, because after a control modul's change, the problem is back...!?
2 times in 1500kms, but I've only done short travel in city to go work..
The best new to have find you is that Honda told me it's not a known problem..!!?
Thanks and I going to try that they change me the same elements then you..
I'm out of warrenty since 06/2012 but my first letter for asking an extension was in June too.
Fingers cross
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Yosh
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In our nightmare I'm happy to see that I'm not alone...!
Sorry for my english, I'm from France
Thanks a lot for all your tests and report, there are really helpfull.
I've just written a second letter to Honda France this evening, because after a control modul's change, the problem is back...!?
2 times in 1500kms, but I've only done short travel in city to go work..
The best new to have find you is that Honda told me it's not a known problem..!!?
Thanks and I going to try that they change me the same elements then you..
I'm out of warrenty since 06/2012 but my first letter for asking an extension was in June too.
Fingers cross
Frendly
Yosh
:shoot:
Since I got mine back it has not given me any problems. My wife and I are taking the bikes up the mountain today. I am looking forward to a good ride. I do not expect any issues at this time. They pretty much replaced everything on my bike. I think what did it was actually the new ABS ECU. That really change the braking characteristics. Good luck, keep us posted.
Hi Yosh,
I was in a similar situation last summer. ABS system malfunctioned and warranty of my bike had been expired. In the end, my problem was easy to fix but I had time to go through all the options.
If you can't get your warranty extended, try the web. At the time, most of those veeery expensive components were available used on Ebay. Mostly as ripped off parts from race bikes with low mileage. You pay 1/5 of the price. I'm sure your mechanic will understand your desire not to get a new Honda part:thumbsup:.
I hope Honda will understand that this concerns BRAKES and will extend your warranty. I want to believe that.
Best of luck,
tmv
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Reviving an old thread here. Picked up a used 09 Abs model yesterday and abs lights been flashing today.
It's got 32k Kms on it and is most likely out of warranty.
What shall I do? I'll take it to the dealer where It was originally bought and see what they can do?
I'm planning to pull the abs fuses out, IDE feel a bit more confident with the brakes having working non-abs breaks rather than not working abs brakes,
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It's got 32k Kms on it and is most likely out of warranty.
What shall I do? I'll take it to the dealer where It was originally bought and see what they can do?
I'm planning to pull the abs fuses out, IDE feel a bit more confident with the brakes having working non-abs breaks rather than not working abs brakes,
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If your Abs light is flashing it will be just like having normal brakes. Just the same if you were to pull the fuse. It's I'm sure less annoying to have the solid light on and not flashing and less distracting. Not sure much about the honda motorcycle abs. Check your tone wheels on your brakes (I think) and see if they are damaged or missing a tooth and check to see if the sensors are hitting them... Good place to start. It should flash a code and maybe you could tell the dealer it flashed x amount of times and they may be willing to share what the code is... Good luck.
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Hi all.
The ABS light in my new 2013 1000rr- 400miles- went flashing in a couple of trips during this past weeks and the problem went off after restarting the bike. I hope it does not develop into the kind of nightmare ccmac went through.
My issue with the brakes is that the feel of the front brake lever is just SO inconsistent. Sometimes it would be firm, the next stop light definitely spongy. The bike stops well, and I would't mind the spongy feel if it were like that all the time, bur know knowing what will you get for the next stop just kills your confidence
Since ccmac reports that with the 2013 abs ecu the feeling of the brakes changed completely, I wonder If this is the way the system works (be damned) or I should look for a solution.
Cheers from Chile !
Hi all.
The ABS light in my new 2013 1000rr- 400miles- went flashing in a couple of trips during this past weeks and the problem went off after restarting the bike. I hope it does not develop into the kind of nightmare ccmac went through.
My issue with the brakes is that the feel of the front brake lever is just SO inconsistent. Sometimes it would be firm, the next stop light definitely spongy. The bike stops well, and I would't mind the spongy feel if it were like that all the time, bur know knowing what will you get for the next stop just kills your confidence
Since ccmac reports that with the 2013 abs ecu the feeling of the brakes changed completely, I wonder If this is the way the system works (be damned) or I should look for a solution.
Cheers from Chile !
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My 2010 does the same thing from time to time. Restarting always works. None of my friends have abs so I've never heard of anyone else with the problem. I don't know what to do, but I'm not taking it to the dealer.
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Well I took mine to the dealer and being an 09 model it's definitely out of warranty.
Dealer told me theres a front and rear ABS motors plus the Ecu/module, all are really expensive to replace and require much labour.
I told him if its going to cost me a cent, IDE rather pull the fuse out.
He then suggested I replace the fuse with a blown one. In case of any accident, insurance will suggest I tampered with my own brakes and neglect to pay me.
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Dealer told me theres a front and rear ABS motors plus the Ecu/module, all are really expensive to replace and require much labour.
I told him if its going to cost me a cent, IDE rather pull the fuse out.
He then suggested I replace the fuse with a blown one. In case of any accident, insurance will suggest I tampered with my own brakes and neglect to pay me.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles fellas. Really sorry to hear of a 2013 bike having issues. That concerns me since my repairs were made with 2013 parts. And yes the characteristics of my braking changed a lot. What I have noticed most is that if I enter a curve while trail braking and release the brake lever slightly (not completely reset) and then reapply more brake, the caliper will pull almost completely to the grip. Pretty scary when this happens! I have recently been putting more seat time into a new for me Goldwing. But I'll ride some tomorrow since the temps will be in the 80's here in Tucson. If I have any problems I'll be sure to inform everyone.
Snipes, I'd like to know how that conversion turns out. The ABS system is more than disconnecting the ABS fuse. It almost requires a PHD to bleed the system, ie...very complex. I know when the system reverts to non-abs the brakes are not nearly what they were with ABS. Very little pressure in the system and not nearly the stopping ability. They just feel mushy, so I a curious if converting to stainless lines would help.
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I pulled as much of the abs system out as I could. At least three modules and all the lines. Apparently there is an "ABS ECU" but it is hidden under the plastics under the seat and I havent taken the time to pull it.
Over 14 lbs of "stuff" was removed.
I had the Brembo forged master cylinder prior, as well as Vesrah brake pads. Went with Goodridge Braided lines front and back and my brakes feel strong and consistant ALL the time. I found that with the abs, they would feel mushy in city traffic, sometimes the lever would pull to the bars.
So far, I am happy and feel more confident knowing there will be "brakes" when I apply them....
Over 14 lbs of "stuff" was removed.
I had the Brembo forged master cylinder prior, as well as Vesrah brake pads. Went with Goodridge Braided lines front and back and my brakes feel strong and consistant ALL the time. I found that with the abs, they would feel mushy in city traffic, sometimes the lever would pull to the bars.
So far, I am happy and feel more confident knowing there will be "brakes" when I apply them....
Great to hear that! I had my ECU replaced and yes it is a bear to get to. The dealership that did mine buggered up the plastic around that area by being careless. Still have not fully tested mine on a really smoking hot day yet. It is approaching 90+ degree here in Tucson and so I am getting close to being able to see if it can take the heat. I really still believe the problem is heat related but time will tell.
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I had my ABS light start to flash after the bike fell as I was trying to put it on a bike stand. My fix was I had to replace the rear crush washer because it was leaking then I had to bleed the brakes. When I bleed the brakes I started in the front right then front left then I moved to the rear. Now from what I under stand the system opens up a valve during rear brake application under 2 different loads ie partial brake application and full brake application. So I began to bleed the rear by pressing the rear brake only 3/4 of the way down, after no air bubbles began to keep the rear brake depressed fully, so I only used the last 1/4 of travel to continue to bleed the system.
Then I would take the bike for a quick ride less than a block. Then I restarted the brake bleed from the rear only. This took about 2 hours to complete before the light would stop blinking and now the brakes feel better than ever. Hope this helps
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Then I would take the bike for a quick ride less than a block. Then I restarted the brake bleed from the rear only. This took about 2 hours to complete before the light would stop blinking and now the brakes feel better than ever. Hope this helps
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I'm having endless problems with my 09. ABS still fails continuously and randomly. A few new pairs of front shox. burning engine oil. Honda rebuilt the engine once and now a rod went through the casing. Worst experience with a bike ever and Honda is no help. They just don't care!
I've had failures on my '09 ABS system since the start of 2011.
I've learnt two things from Honda NZ:
in 2012 they replaced the ECU/module, this year they replaced burnt out pumps. I was told that if you are front brake biased, then you'll more than likely end up with a burnt out pump. I've just learnt this morning that it doesn't matter. As they replaced my pumps in May/June 2013 and it's now Dec 2013 (keep in mind this is the winter months down here so no long hot rides yet) the ABS will still fail. One pattern that does seem repetitive is if you find yourself in a jam (someone pulling out on-top of you on a motorway) and you apply the front brake you (generally since a foot takes a while longer to move than a hovering hand) a little harder than regular braking - but no where enough to cause a lock up if you didn't have the ABS unit - you'll probably end up with an ABS failure.
I'm going to talk to the local guys - which have at-least replaced the pumps while the bike is outside it's warrantee - and see if the fix for ccmac works - which I've I'm reading right is the 2013 ECU/module.
I will agree with you ccmac, over summer when the bike runs permanently between 98 and 108 degrees C (no idea what that is in F) the brake pumps appear to be prone to failing, possibly due to poor cooling. On my long rides I've had no choice but to cruise at low revs and high(ish) speed (6th gear at 100's km) to cool things down, then the old turn off/turn back on the bike allows things to reset otherwise the brakes just trip the fault immediately.
I've learnt two things from Honda NZ:
- Moving at under 7 kms, applying the brakes, releasing and re-applying - IE moving around a car park - can result in the brakes feeling really spongy without the ABS warning light - apparently this is by design as the ABS brakes don't operate at those low speeds.
- I've had ECU's replaced, modules replaced and apparently burnt out on more than one occasion the ABS pumps - and still I've got issues
in 2012 they replaced the ECU/module, this year they replaced burnt out pumps. I was told that if you are front brake biased, then you'll more than likely end up with a burnt out pump. I've just learnt this morning that it doesn't matter. As they replaced my pumps in May/June 2013 and it's now Dec 2013 (keep in mind this is the winter months down here so no long hot rides yet) the ABS will still fail. One pattern that does seem repetitive is if you find yourself in a jam (someone pulling out on-top of you on a motorway) and you apply the front brake you (generally since a foot takes a while longer to move than a hovering hand) a little harder than regular braking - but no where enough to cause a lock up if you didn't have the ABS unit - you'll probably end up with an ABS failure.
I'm going to talk to the local guys - which have at-least replaced the pumps while the bike is outside it's warrantee - and see if the fix for ccmac works - which I've I'm reading right is the 2013 ECU/module.
I will agree with you ccmac, over summer when the bike runs permanently between 98 and 108 degrees C (no idea what that is in F) the brake pumps appear to be prone to failing, possibly due to poor cooling. On my long rides I've had no choice but to cruise at low revs and high(ish) speed (6th gear at 100's km) to cool things down, then the old turn off/turn back on the bike allows things to reset otherwise the brakes just trip the fault immediately.
Well it is February now and I have spent some time catching up on the thread. I relocated back to Terre Haute, Indiana. We received our property just this last week and so I have been without my bike for 5 months while it was in storage. Too cold to ride now but when spring arrives I'll put some seat time in. Because it was in the shop so much and the relocation, I still have way too little mileage on my bike since the repairs to know if it is really fixed. Hopefully I'll get that figured out this summer.
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A few days ago I was riding to work (2015 Honda CBR 1000RR) in some wet weather and was required to brake hard on the motorway. Not an emergency stop, but hard enough. Anyway I noticed soon after the flashing ABS warning light.
After switching my bike off, it started normally. No flashing light, not until I touched the front brake which set it off again. The next day it began flashing without the requirement to touch the brake.
I haven't experienced any loss of braking power and have done an emergency stop (in the wet) without any problems. Still the light flashes.
I have cleaned the abs sensors but that hasn't cleared the fault. Next I intend to fully clean the brakes, and check the pads. After that....who knows?
After switching my bike off, it started normally. No flashing light, not until I touched the front brake which set it off again. The next day it began flashing without the requirement to touch the brake.
I haven't experienced any loss of braking power and have done an emergency stop (in the wet) without any problems. Still the light flashes.
I have cleaned the abs sensors but that hasn't cleared the fault. Next I intend to fully clean the brakes, and check the pads. After that....who knows?
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Striped and cleaned the brakes. Callipers and brake pads seem fine. Battery removed and given a full charge. ABS rings check for wear and damage. Fuses checked. Cabling checked for obvious damage. Everything seems fine.
Still have ABS warning light. Arghhhhhh
Next will be bleeding of the brakes, then into the dealership she will go.
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