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i made the trade today, my 2012 1199 Panigale for a new 2018 “base” CBR1000rr. I was able to ride the back roads most of the way home. I hit some good curves and was able to get a really good feel for the bike. I did 110 miles nonstop until rain about ten miles from home forced me to stop and put rain gear on. Yes, I’m a “Boy Scout” and was prepared.

The bike exceeds my expectations. More comments to follow the next few days.

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And I was able to clean most of the tires :)

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Welcome to the club - its a kick ass ride isn't it?

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Wow....lucky you!!! I'd be interested in the comparison to the Panigale....not technical, just better, worse or the same in overall feel????
I have some initial impressions, but I’m going to refrain until I ride another favorite road or two that have some good switchbacks. So far I think it handles very good, but the Ducati was amazing to me. It will be tough to beat.

That’s impressive chicken strips for road, being first time on a new brand. Unless that’s just from scrubbing by the dealer


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The curves I ride all the time and was on today are very fast 90 degree sweepers with good visibility. It’s actually pretty easy for me to get rid of them.

My biggest surprise is the engine. I was a little concerned that it’s only putting out 149 at the rear wheel according to a couple of tests I have read. But it feels very fast, and I’m very surprised at the mid range torque and even how trackable it is down around 3,000 rpm. And the engine sound was a real surprise. It sounds great under hard throttle.

Overall I’m very pleased. And you have to understand that I loved the Ducati, so I had concerns that anything else would be disappointing.
 

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My biggest surprise is the engine. I was a little concerned that it’s only putting out 149 at the rear wheel according to a couple of tests I have read. But it feels very fast, and I’m very surprised at the mid range torque and even how trackable it is down around 3,000 rpm. And the engine sound was a real surprise. It sounds great under hard throttle.

Overall I’m very pleased. And you have to understand that I loved the Ducati, so I had concerns that anything else would be disappointing.
Honda really did the best they could given the Shit Sandwich the DOT served them for noise abatement requirements.

At least they were able to keep most of the restrictions at the top unlike the S1000RR that has its midrange stripped.

Its a little lean down low to help the cat out out, and anything above 10,400rpm is severely restricted.

The EXUP helps provide that beefy mid-range int he stock package.

De-restricted the bike just takes what you have and adds an immense top end rush to the package.

Enjoy the ride... (y) :LOL:
 

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Wow....lucky you!!! I'd be interested in the comparison to the Panigale....not technical, just better, worse or the same in overall feel????
That was my reaction too, when I read of the Blade purchase. In most circles the 1199 is the be all and end all of motorcycling. I've never ridden one, not dreamed of owning one, but it is pleasing to see a Ducati devotee turn to the Blade, AND report on first impressions that all is acceptable.
 

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I also think the switch from the 1199 to the CBR1000RR is interesting. What made you decide to? Just wanted to try something new?
 

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I'm going to post two times here to make it easier to follow. This one to answer the questions above, and another to give more impressions of the bike.

The reason I traded the Ducati for the CBR is basically for two reasons - but in a way they are really kind of one reason.

I'm 67 years old - you'll hear that a lot because I actually feel good about bragging that I'm 67 and still riding the bikes I'm riding and doing it right. I retired eighteen months ago.
Before I retired I was riding about 20-22,000 miles a year spread across three motorcycles. The first six years I owned the Ducati I was putting 4,000 miles a year on it. Since I retired, I put 38,000 miles on the three bikes combined, 8,000 on the Ducati.

When I retired I had a 2015 BMW 1600GT, a Superduke GT and the Ducati. Knowing that I would ride a lot of miles, I wanted to go back to Japanese reliability. I just wanted to get on my bikes and ride knowing that whatever I had was pretty much bullet proof. Literally the day after I retired I traded the BMW for a Yamaha FJR1300 which is what I do long trips on, and is a fun bike for every day riding as well. I had a 2006 FJR and loved the bike. They had made a lot of upgrades to it, and at $10,000 less than the 1600GT it was an easy decision.

Two months ago I traded my Superduke GT for a 2020 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX. It is also my second Ninja 1000. BTW, my fist I put a full Akra system and PowerCommander on. Once again, I wanted a bullet proof bike. That is what I call the "middle bike". It pretty fast, handles well and is my go to bike for my 300-350 mile rides that I typically do every week. I should point out that in retirement I ride 4-5 days a week if possible.

I thought I would keep the Ducati forever. But for a variety of reasons, I realized that at 32,000 miles the bike was already a bike that several dealers that I deal with and know the owners well have said they don't like taking Ducati's in trade. Also, the Ducati dealer I dealt with in Houston was previously owned by a guy who has been a friend of mine for nearly 40 years. He is a guy who I got to know when I decided to do a little road racing in the early 80s, He was one of the best amateur road racers in the country. Anyone in the Houston area knows who I'm talking about. Having him own the dealer made my life a lot easier. In fact, the reason I wound up buying the 1199 is because he almost forced me to take a long test ride on his own personal 1199. He was also a Honda dealer and I asked him recently what he would buy if he bought a "New" bike. He said a CBR1000rr. I asked because he owns five bikes and they are all older bikes that are immaculate. And this is a guy who raced Ducatis for quite a few years.

So, I got to thinking that my 1199 would be impossible to get rid of in less than two years as I keep racking up miles on it. And services have gotten VERY expensive. I started doing the routine services my self, but I won't do the valve service which is every 15,000 miles.

The second reason is that I'm still at the stage of retirement where I'm trying to figure out "how much is enough". By that I mean, did I save enough money? My dad lived to be 90, and my mom is 95 and still lives on her own, still drives and is sharp as a tack. And she has a 97 year old sister who is the same. On top of which, my wife is 13 years younger than me. Point is that I'm blessed to be able to live the way I do, but spending $11,000 on a bike instead of $20,000 is part of how I can still afford to live comfortably.

Now you know why I went from the Ducati to a Honda. But let me say that I loved that bike. I had no idea when I was 60 years old and buying my first "crotch rocket" that I would wind up with it for this long - by far the longest I have ever kept a bike, and that I would still love it. I also never thought I would use its capabilities to the extent that I did.
 

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i made the trade today, my 2012 1199 Panigale for a new 2018 “base” CBR1000rr. I was able to ride the back roads most of the way home. I hit some good curves and was able to get a really good feel for the bike. I did 110 miles nonstop until rain about ten miles from home forced me to stop and put rain gear on. Yes, I’m a “Boy Scout” and was prepared.

The bike exceeds my expectations. More comments to follow the next few days.

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And I was able to clean most of the tires :)

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Curious what the reason you had from going Ducati to Honda was? I've owned nothin but honda super bikes(F3->954>'18 Fireblade base) and i've never riden another supersport(except a quick test ride on a R6 back in the mid 00s and i thought it shifted really "clicky".
 

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This morning I put another 150 miles on it on top of the 120 I did yesterday. Mostly the same back roads, plus a little diversion that is a neat little four mile stretch of road with a two mile straightway followed by two miles of good curves - and very little traffic.

First off, when I got to the first fast sweeper, as in easy to take at 100, as I started accelerating through the curve - not hard acceleration, I suddenly felt as though the rear tire might be slipping slightly and what felt like a "miss" in the engine a couple of times. I was coming up on a few more similar curves and while I still took them at 80-90 I was being a bit cautious and trying to see if it happened again. It did it a little in one more curve. I actually pulled over and checked to be sure I didn't have a tire going flat - did not.

So when I got to the road mentioned above, I was going right into an early morning sun and had to be careful in the curves as the sun was borderline blinding. I've ridden these roads probably a thousand times, so I know what to expect. I also knew I would be doing the same road again an hour and a half later when the sun was up higher. So, when I came back later, I started pushing harder, and even ran the bike pretty hard in a straight line in third gear and felt the same feeling of the engine cutting out. At that point I felt sure it was the traction control. I don't think the bike ever really lost traction enough to slide, but was just enough to trigger traction control, which I had set to "2" at the time.

So, when I got to the end of the curves on that road, and was turning around to go back the other way, I stopped and set Torque to "1". I got pretty aggressive in all the curves going back home and it did not do it again, so I'm pretty sure that is what was happening. My Ducati traction control also intervened when I first got it and had it set at an intermediate setting. But on that bike I never felt it kick in, I just saw the TC light come on.

My attitude about break in is to go easy on it the fist hundred miles or so, then run it pretty much as hard as I want except to keep it off the rev limiter for another couple hundred miles. I also am fanatical about running the bike easy until the oil has ample time to come up to operating temperature. So yes, I ran it pretty hard up to about 11,000 rpm. Prefer not to say how fast, but lets just say that I was well over the ton in fourth gear before backing off. I must admit the sound and acceleration are quite intoxicating.

The ergonomics may actually be slightly better than the Panigale. That may sound obvious to some of you, but I actually was very comfortable on the Panigale. Comfortable being relative of course. My hands are my biggest problem. A throttlemeister is my fix for that. I had one on my Panigale, and have ordered a similar product for the CBR (KAOKO). I know some folks worry about the throttle locks, but I have used them on a variety of bikes for many years. If you set them right, they are easy to "over ride" if you need to. And I never activate them when condition are not right.

I was also pleasantly surprised to get over 42 MPG for the day. Keep in mind that I have a 50 mile ride to get to the good roads. I cruise along mostly country roads that are straight and flat. I was actually averaging right at 45 for quite a while. My Ducati got 38 or so just cruising along the same roads, and I usually averaged right around 36 almost all the time.

Handling is very good, but different than the Ducati. The Ducati is set up for a little more stability where the CBR leans just a little more to "flick-ability". The CBR does not feel quite as much like its "on rails" like the Ducati did, but that is not criticism, just noting the differences. What always struck me about the Ducati was that in those fast curves that I have ridden on a lot of different bikes (and Corvettes), even when I thought I was taking it easy, I would glance down at the speedometer as I came off the apex and was surprised at how fast I was going. That bike was so easy to ride fast that it was amazing.

Engine differences. As pointed out earlier, the CBR feels like it has more than 149 at the rear wheel. The Ducati and CBR actually weigh about the same, but most dyno tests I've seen on the 1199 were at least 170. Some of you may not know, but the 1199 was a peaky engine. I remember vividly when I first got it passing a car on a country road in fourth gear and thinking "wow, this bike does not feel all that fast". I would soon learn that the power was hiding out at 7,000 rpm, with a second spike at 8,000 rpm. But at 8,000 it is wanting to pull your arms out of their sockets.

Because the Ducati is so peaky, and the CBR a much more linear power delivery with more mid range torque, it's hard to say whether one is really faster than the other. Logic says the Ducati is faster, and I think it is based upon tests and just what I know. But having run the CBR fairly hard this morning, I'm prepared to say that they are close enough in acceleration that if the Ducati is faster, its no enough to matter. The CBR runs great. I know what you guys are going to say about the tune - RC45 :) But for now I don't feel cheated at all.

One other thing I don't think I mentioned yet. As some of you may recall, I was a bit concerned about not getting ABS. I'm a big believer in it. But I realized quickly yesterday, and again today that the brakes are very easy to modulate, and don't have that sudden initial bite that the M50 Brembos that were on both my Panigale and my Superduke had. That is a good thing for me.

While I loved the Panigale, I am happy to say that I have zero regrets. The CBR has put a big smile on my face. I would not rule out buying an SP down the road - maybe a 70th birthday present :)
 

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Curious what the reason you had from going Ducati to Honda was? I've owned nothin but honda super bikes(F3->954>'18 Fireblade base) and i've never riden another supersport(except a quick test ride on a R6 back in the mid 00s and i thought it shifted really "clicky".
See my post just above yours. We were probably posting at the same time. OOPS, just looked at it. It is waiting for moderator approval. I must have put some keyword in there that is holding it up....maybe "Ducati" :)
 
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