[Mattx852]

I have the same year and highly recommend an ECU flash. I got mine flashed by Guhl Motors back when they were still flashing sport bikes, however there are many companies you can go with. A flash will remove gear based ignition timing and speed restrictions, customized MAP, TPS fuel and ignition mapping based on mods, my flash raised my rev limiter by 500 rpm, lowered my fan set temp to 180°F. A fuel module like PC5 is good to fine tune fueling, but that’s all it can do. Getting my bike flashed really woke it up. Now it pulls just as hard from 150-185 mph (yes I do have a GPS calibrated speedo healer) as it does from 30-100mph. Before I got the flash I had 15/44 final gearing which helped, but with the flash I found it completely unnecessary so I went back to 16/42. These USA trim fireblades are extremely restricted from the factory which is why they get such a bad rap as being the weakest liter bike. Ever since my flash though I can hang with even newer bikes that should eat me on paper. Other mods that helped add to the bikes rawness were BMC race filters and Venturi systems velocity stacks. Even better would be Sprint P08 dry polyester air filters. Just look at the new fireblade RR-R sp. The US trim is so restricted you can get 42 horsepower gains with a stage 2 BrenTune and BTM velocity stacks. Moral of the story, if you want all you can get out of this bike, you need an ECU flash. Power commanders are great but they can’t accomplish anywhere near all the stuff a flash can.

 

[Mattx852]

06-07 cbr1k don't have any restrictions in the ecu... unless you have internal engine work, the stock tune is about as good as it gets (you can tweak the fuel curve though). No need to increase the rev-limiter with stock cams, because power is already starting to fall off before the stock redline. Do you have before and after dyno of your bike? How much HP did it gain after the flash?

While the 06-07 doesn’t have any speed based restrictions it does have RPM and Throttle based ignition restrictions to meet EPA emissions requirements. Furthermore, a flash can optimize ignition and fuel mapping on both sets of injectors whereas a PC3/V can only do TB fuel injectors. Sure you can get an ignition and secondary fuel module but then your looking at $1000+ instead of a $350 flash. All stock, my bike was making 151 to the wheel, and after the BMC race filters, yoshi RS-5 race version, Venturi velocity stacks, flapper and PAIR delete, and flash it made 163 and change on the same dyno with same tires and suspension settings. Ambient temp differential was within 5°F with sub 15% humidity at 1,500ft elevation. Not only did I get a significant horsepower boost, my peak HP stuck around for longer than it did stock. I can’t remember the exact torque numbers but I know I gained 7lb•ft. This was at reparto veloche in Chandler AZ, same people that do the RideClutch bikes. I’ll see if I can pull up the graphs. They were on a laptop that got stolen from the locker room at the gym, but I’m sure I have them in my Dropbox

 

[Mattx852]

Sorr, but you sound like you're quoting a sales pitch, because when I said the 06/07 cbr1k doesn't have any restrictions in the ecu, I was talking specifically about ignition timing... the only limitation on those bikes are the 186mph top speed which is a moot point. A bazaazz controls all 8 injectors. And high dyno numbers aside, I would have to see a cbr pickup 12hp with the mods you listed, because the stock headers flow well for stock engines, and I haven't seen one gain anything significant over a stock header/slip-on setup. Not bashing you, but I just don't want people to think flashing these older bikes are going to yield power increases like the new gen bikes, because they will not gain much of anything. As for your power holding on beyond peak power, the velocity stacks could be responsible, but I sure would like to see the dyno graph.

Whether the ignition timing is restricted or not, a flash can still optimize ignition timing and fueling for your specific mods and average atmospheric conditions. I just think it’s ironic how you’re saying here you find it hard to believe you can gain 12hp with my mods and how a bazzaz is just as good as a flash when you have literally said in another discussion that, and I quote, “Power commander/bazzaz is no comparison to an ecu reflash...not power wise, nor functionality. . . the ecu flash is worth 8-10hp.” In regards to you offering to flash another members 2006 CBR1000RR… Of course you’re not going to gain the power you can with a new fly by wire bike, but there are several advantages to a flash over a standalone fuel module.

 

[Mattx852]

I didn't say a pc/bazzaaz is as good as a flash, i mentioned the bazaazz because it controls all 8 injectors without a need to buy anything else. I'm not comparing a flash to a add-on fuel controller, I'm saying a flash isn't worth doing on an otherwise stock 06-07 because there are no verifiable gains to be had. As for that quote, I will have to see where I said a 57 gained 8-10hp, because only 1 of my bikes ever picked up power with a flash, and it was 6hp...and that was the only one that picked up anything... The others gained some throttle response, but didn't make any more power. I have documented proof of what I say, now stand behind your statements and provide proof!

I will buy the same exact tune you are claiming gained power and test it... If it doesn't pick up anything, YOU refund me what the flash costs... That's how sure I am a flash is not going to make any power over stock on a bolt-on 57... I can test it on 3 different 57's too... I'll do an unedited video...

Im sorry, we may have a miscommunication. Never did I say a stock 57 would make that kind of power with just a flash. I was sure to specify those gains were achieved with BMC race filters, yoshi system with race can (they have a race and street version of the RS-5 slip), Venturi systems velocity stacks, 520 conversion, and then the flash with fuel and ignition mapping tailored to those mods. If Guhl motors were still flashing ECUs I’d gladly take you up on that so long as all other things were constant including my mods. And as for where you said a flash alone is worth 8-10hp. See post #16 in the link below. And in case you claim the topic of discussion wasn’t the SC57, a few posts prior to #16 will clarify that it was.

What's the average cost to reflash a 2006 CBR1000RR...

Hi, I am trying to get an idea of the cost to reflash my 2006 CBR1000RR ECU. And who did you use? I'm not thinking of doing it myself, but rather sending it out to an expert. Thanks. Ride Hard or What's the point. OhioBob

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