Just removed all tail components. Bigger PITA

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booken

Discussion Starter · Apr 11, 2009

So I posted a thread a little bit ago about removing the upper, lower and front fairings and said what a pain in the ass it was. So today I started on the rear. Holy mother of God what a major pain in the ass. Makes the fairings and other related stuff seem like a minor activity. Wow, getting everything off of the rear is a major deal. The pan/undertail that holds the batter and other electric stuff was the biggest pain of all.

I never did get the rectifier fully removed. The 3 prong plug just wouldn't come out. I chewed the plug up pretty good in the process. The 2 prong plug came out just fine. And WTF is with Honda and their f'ed up plug connections. No visible consistent standard. Some you push the small lever down, some you pull up. I totally destroyed one plug when I got really pissed at it. Fortunately it is the tail light assembly plug. I can re-wire that when I make the bike street legal again.

I pulled the exhaust. Holy crap is that canister heavy. In conclusion I have to say Honda crammed 10 pounds of stuff into a 5 pound bag on this bike. It is truly a beauty of engineering. But Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ (Easter you know) give us folks who work on our own bikes a break.

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Darth H.

· #2 · Apr 11, 2009

Too much whining, its not that bad at all. That bikes tail is 1/4 the size of most tail sections. There is going to be some kind of a price to pay for that.

2008 RR

· #3 · Apr 11, 2009

Darth H. said:
Too much whining, its not that bad at all.

No shit. Enough already.

h82loze

· #4 · Apr 11, 2009

Darth H. said:
Too much whining, its not that bad at all. That bikes tail is 1/4 the size of most tail sections. There is going to be some kind of a price to pay for that.

2008 RR said:
No shit. Enough already.

Seriously, it's not that bad. I've had the tail off several times and it's been pretty easy from the beginning.

tsxguy77

· #5 · Apr 11, 2009

Cry baby. I just did it too and it was a major pain but putting it back together was a snap. It just seems harder when you are doing it for the first time. So why were you taking apart the rear anyway? to remove the passenger pegs?

Grrunt

· #6 · Apr 11, 2009

tail (twice) wasn't bad. Hope you're right and the other fairings are easier.

Derek888

· #7 · Apr 11, 2009

I want to remove my passenger pegs now but when I get the new Sato street hooks do I have to take apart the rear again or does it just bolt right up?

booken

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 11, 2009

Was taking a break and figured I would whine a bit about it.

The biggest problem was the wire connectors as I said.

The reason I am taking all the stuff off the tail is because I am prepping this bike for racing and am removing all the unnecessary stuff. Plus I am trying not to damage anything (when possible) so I can put it back together when I go to sell it or street it out again. So I am taking my time. If I had to do it again it would be much quicker. At this point I have the plastics, wheels, suspension, radiator, gas tank, all the tail except subframe removed. My new exhaust arrived today and I plan to install that tomorrow.

billard81

· #9 · Apr 11, 2009

booken said:
Was taking a break and figured I would whine a bit about it.

The biggest problem was the wire connectors as I said.

The reason I am taking all the stuff off the tail is because I am prepping this bike for racing and am removing all the unnecessary stuff. Plus I am trying not to damage anything (when possible) so I can put it back together when I go to sell it or street it out again. So I am taking my time. If I had to do it again it would be much quicker. At this point I have the plastics, wheels, suspension, radiator, gas tank, all the tail except subframe removed. My new exhaust arrived today and I plan to install that tomorrow.

those parts aren't unnecessary silly

:beat:

what do you have planned for your race bike? keep us updated with some pics.

booken

Discussion Starter · #10 · Apr 11, 2009

billard81 said:
those parts aren't unnecessary silly

:beat:

what do you have planned for your race bike? keep us updated with some pics.

Some of the afore mentioned parts are going back on. But the stuff like the servo's, plastics and such are staying off. As for what I have planned...I am going to keep the motor stock to start with but get exhaust, fuel and ignition tuning modules as well as quick shifter and a full tune. I plan on keeping the stock steering damper and brakes. I will upgrade brake pads and lines. And of course spruce up the ergos a bit with new rearsets and grips.

h82loze

· #11 · Apr 11, 2009

Derek888 said:
I want to remove my passenger pegs now but when I get the new Sato street hooks do I have to take apart the rear again or does it just bolt right up?

You would have to take the rear apart again as the street hooks bolt onto where the passenger pegs were bolted onto.

Dr G

· #12 · Apr 11, 2009

booken said:
So I posted a thread a little bit ago about removing the upper, lower and front fairings and said what a pain in the ass it was. So today I started on the rear. Holy mother of God what a major pain in the ass. Makes the fairings and other related stuff seem like a minor activity. Wow, getting everything off of the rear is a major deal. The pan/undertail that holds the batter and other electric stuff was the biggest pain of all.

I never did get the rectifier fully removed. The 3 prong plug just wouldn't come out. I chewed the plug up pretty good in the process. The 2 prong plug came out just fine. And WTF is with Honda and their f'ed up plug connections. No visible consistent standard. Some you push the small lever down, some you pull up. I totally destroyed one plug when I got really pissed at it. Fortunately it is the tail light assembly plug. I can re-wire that when I make the bike street legal again.

Right there with you. Especially on that rectifier plug. I never could get that loose either. And yes, every other plug seems to have its own unique decoder ring on getting it undone. Once you figure it out it's pretty obvious (hindsight is 20\20). But next time to do it you'll probably have forgotten...until you do it multiple times I suppose.

booken

Discussion Starter · #13 · Apr 12, 2009

Dr G said:
Right there with you. Especially on that rectifier plug. I never could get that loose either. And yes, every other plug seems to have its own unique decoder ring on getting it undone. Once you figure it out it's pretty obvious (hindsight is 2020). But next time to do it you'll probably have forgotten...until you do it multiple times I suppose.

Nice to hear from someone else who has experienced the same things. I put the tail mostly back together today. Not so painful an experience. Stay tuned for my exhaust installation issues. Some more fun.

booken

Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 26, 2009

After spending many days working with my new Honda I have come to the realization that to remove anything from the gas tank down to anything in the tray under the seat to anything under the tray, just remove one side of the subframe. If you do that then everything just comes off easily. And the subframe, once the plastics are removed, is really easy to remove.

trackdaze

· #15 · Apr 26, 2009

booken said:
So I posted a thread a little bit ago about removing the upper, lower and front fairings and said what a pain in the ass it was. So today I started on the rear. Holy mother of God what a major pain in the ass. Makes the fairings and other related stuff seem like a minor activity. Wow, getting everything off of the rear is a major deal. The pan/undertail that holds the batter and other electric stuff was the biggest pain of all.

I never did get the rectifier fully removed. The 3 prong plug just wouldn't come out. I chewed the plug up pretty good in the process. The 2 prong plug came out just fine. And WTF is with Honda and their f'ed up plug connections. No visible consistent standard. Some you push the small lever down, some you pull up. I totally destroyed one plug when I got really pissed at it. Fortunately it is the tail light assembly plug. I can re-wire that when I make the bike street legal again.

I pulled the exhaust. Holy crap is that canister heavy. In conclusion I have to say Honda crammed 10 pounds of stuff into a 5 pound bag on this bike. It is truly a beauty of engineering. But Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ (Easter you know) give us folks who work on our own bikes a break.

i never touched the rectifier:beat:
no, do not stop complaining. it is totally unnecessary to have so many different body fasteners and connectors. honda needs to hear this:shoot:

one reason the body and pegs are hard is because they hid all the fasteners from view. did honda ever consider we don't care if you see them? my gixxer was sweet this way:sad010:

how bad will they all look with broken tabs?

2008 RR

· #16 · Apr 26, 2009

trackdaze said:
it is totally unnecessary to have so many different body fasteners and connectors.

I think I'll side with Honda's engineering over your opinion. :shrug:

trackdaze said:
honda needs to hear this:shoot:

Honda doesn't care.

trackdaze said:
one reason the body and pegs are hard is because they hid all the fasteners from view. did honda ever consider we don't care if you see them?

You don't. I and plenty of others are glad Honda took aesthetics into consideration. Pegs are a once and done and you have to get in there to remove the mudflap anyway. The difficulty of removing body panels is totally overblown by many.

trackdaze said:
my gixxer was sweet this way:sad010:

Go get yo'self another gixxer and quitcherbitchin. :laugh:

trackdaze said:
how bad will they all look with broken tabs?

I couldn't tell you ... I haven't broken a single one.

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CBRworm

· #17 · Apr 27, 2009

If you leave your servo off you will end up with a blinking FI light.

trackdaze

· #18 · Apr 27, 2009

2008 RR said:
I think I'll side with Honda's engineering over your opinion. :shrug:

honda's design engineering is excellent. their industrial engineering lacks focus on standardization and ease of maintenance. that's fine with me as it is an amazing machine and i wouldn't want to change anything other than the time consuming bodywork.

having been an IE in electronics and managed engineers in a japanese company, the different connectors are a result of letting individual engineers spec whatever they want instead of an underlying reason for different connectors.

how much being delayed on working on your bike bothers you is related to what else you have going on in your life. run your own company and have a family and see if you still enjoy figuring out bodypanels that are not completed explained in the manual. sure, easier the second time, but a lot of wasted time.

there are lots of postings about broken tabs after visiting dealerships. no one wants to have those type of diiscussions after a service visit.

get a suzook again? never. unlike honda, they have to be sued to issue a life threatening defect like the frames breaking.

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Deathace

· #19 · Apr 27, 2009

Bikes like most cars have all manner of fixings, fittings and tabs to confuse the average person which is why dealers recommend you come back to them as they are meant to be trained to know which is which and where, its all relative to making more money off you.

I agree in some parts that honda could have thought things out to keep the stuff consistent but then it wouldnt look as nice (bodywork) with the amount of fixings it would need to make it easier to strip off and if it did then it would probably be a lot more flimsy or flap about more. I think its great the way they have done the bodywork and thus far have had no problems undoing any of the plugs to separate wiring, but then I have taken a fair few bikes apart and dealt with most of the types of plugs before.

I think it was my old 6r that had one of the most funkiest plugs going, you had to remove a reinforced tab 180 degrees before pulling the connectors apart a few mm then rotate the plug 90 degrees before pushing them together to hit a spring mechanism inside that separated them. That took a few swear words until i sussed it out that is for sure

Russ

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ant...

· #20 · Apr 27, 2009

Im with booken on this, Honda make their bikes overly complicated.

Im gonna get a quote off a honda dealer for fitting the tail tidy and removing the rear pegs, i dont wanna f-up my new baby.

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