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I don't know much about the Spectrum Pulse brand, but I did some research before my purchase and decided on the WPS Featherweight HJTZ7S-FPP-IL.


Just be sure to get the one with 2 P's "FPP-IL". The one with only 1 P "FP-IL" has less capacity and CCA.
 

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Thanks for sharing your experience.

I saw that these other two are popular as well:
  1. BetterTender
  2. AntiGravity
The issue is that most of them do not have a long enough history for us to truly know about their longevity.
 

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Shido, WPS, Firepower etc (all rebrands of the same batteries) Lithium batteries have been around for a while.
 

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Shido, WPS, Firepower etc (all rebrands of the same batteries) Lithium batteries have been around for a while.
Thanks! Interesting historical data point you've got there.

So, is Honda also sourcing their lithium batteries for their 2017-2019 CBR1000RR from the same manufacturer and re-branding it as their own?
 

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Cool, thanks!
 
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ha ha ....
 
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Looks like the popularly recommended short list in the US are:
  1. Shorai
  2. AntiGravity
  3. BatteryTender
Most current ones have weights that hover around 1/5th the weight of wet batteries.
 

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People buy those brands because price point. Honestly, unless you're building some sort of track special and shaving every ounce you can as some sort of massive weight savings program, just run what you brung, especially if you ride when it starts to get chilly. Spend it on good tires or something useful instead. My 2002 919 has its original lead acid, kept on an Optimate tender, of course.
 

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Looks like the popularly recommended short list in the US are:
  1. Shorai
  2. AntiGravity
  3. BatteryTender
Most current ones have weights that hover around 1/5th the weight of wet batteries.
I do not know if this is the case for 2017+ ABS but on my 2009 ABS with a Shorai in very cold weather the ABS system would act up sometimes such as ABS light blinking or lever feel changing during the ride and it took me forever to realize that it was the lithium battery. On those bikes with brake by wire always have a servo controlling the front/rear brakes once you get rolling and those motors draw lots of peak current (30A fuse each!). This is why the ABS versions have a much larger battery than the non-ABS. Also the neutral light and other dash lights would pulse in cold weather too even with the bike warmed up when I had the lithium battery.

I get that it's super light but when the ABS braking system depends on a battery to work properly I was not willing to risk the weight savings for reliability.
 
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I do not know if this is the case for 2017+ ABS but on my 2009 ABS with a Shorai in very cold weather the ABS system would act up sometimes such as ABS light blinking or lever feel changing during the ride and it took me forever to realize that it was the lithium battery. On those bikes with brake by wire always have a servo controlling the front/rear brakes once you get rolling and those motors draw lots of peak current (30A fuse each!). This is why the ABS versions have a much larger battery than the non-ABS. Also the neutral light and other dash lights would pulse in cold weather too even with the bike warmed up when I had the lithium battery.

I get that it's super light but when the ABS braking system depends on a battery to work properly I was not willing to risk the weight savings for reliability.
Good point.
 

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I do not know if this is the case for 2017+ ABS but on my 2009 ABS with a Shorai in very cold weather the ABS system would act up sometimes such as ABS light blinking or lever feel changing during the ride and it took me forever to realize that it was the lithium battery. On those bikes with brake by wire always have a servo controlling the front/rear brakes once you get rolling and those motors draw lots of peak current (30A fuse each!). This is why the ABS versions have a much larger battery than the non-ABS. Also the neutral light and other dash lights would pulse in cold weather too even with the bike warmed up when I had the lithium battery.

I get that it's super light but when the ABS braking system depends on a battery to work properly I was not willing to risk the weight savings for reliability.
The 2017 ABS is totally different than the 2009. I've owned both. Unlike the 2009 models, 2017 ABS and Non ABS both share the YUASA YTZ7S. The 2017 SP which all have ABS came OEM with lithium.
 

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Can't speak to that brand, but I have had a AntiGravity in my 2007 1000RR since October 2017, and zero issues. Installed at 60K miles, and now has 79K miles. Every day driver, rain or shine. Upgraded to a Rick's Motorsports Alternator a long time ago, since the originals had the winding issue (and had burned out two OEM ones); zero issues there too.


Here's my entire review posted on Amazon:

Update (08/2018):
Originally installed 10/2017, so after ten months, this battery has been going strong. Never had to put it on a charger. Always cranks fast. In the past six months, I started turning off my bike at stop lights, because I have a light I usually wait 3-4 minutes at every day, and also to test the HOT restart; NO PROBLEMS! This Lithium battery has been a great investment. Given that Outdoor Power Equipment (OPE) has really taken off (Ego 56v, Milwaukee 18v, etc), the time for Lithium in motorcycles has arrived!

Background:
Two and a half years ago, when my lead acid battery starting showing it's age, I looked at the Lithium battery offerings for motorcycles and concluded that the technology, while pretty mature, just wasn't well enough developed where I felt completely comfortable making the jump from lead acid to lithium. A couple weeks ago, my 2007 CBR1000RR started having the low battery weird fuel injection issues, e.g. stumbling at low speeds. So I did a little more research and found that AntiGravity Batteries was the maker I was going to go with. I considered the 8-cell (240 CCA), but was able to find a good price on the 12-cell (360 CCA), that I thought the extra cost was also worth the extra insurance of having another string of cells to draw from.

Research:
There is a lot of good articles and videos, and I would highly recommend a potential buyer spend a day or two watching/reading about Lithium Iron Phosphate, LiFePo4, which is the technology that AG uses. I also evaluated Shorai, Western Powersports, and BikeMaster.

Conditions:
The operating conditions of my motorcycle are: daily commuter (30 miles round trip), tropical weather (60-90F year round), bike has 60K miles, and also has a rick's motorsport electrics inc. rebuilt alternator.

Technical Details:
Adhere to the warning about NOT using a standard car charger (lead acid) on the Lithium batteries!
Per AG's support, "Our batteries are sent fully charge at 13.3V on average, and we switched the YTZ to ATZ markings on all our batteries where A stands for Antigravity."

Conclusion:
I decided that AG had both a mature product line, as well as was still on the cutting edge. I will update this review in a year or so to report how the AG is holding up to daily commuting.
 

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Nice review. Thanks for sharing.
 
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