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Been a Michelin fella for the past 20, they only seem to get better.

always love the crowned tires they make that turn in a nanosecond.

I mostly do fast, twisty road riding, thinking these P Fives will be a more lasting choice than the Mich Power RS's, but I'm now leaning towards the RS's.

Thoughts?
 

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We know many will be aching over another 'tyre thread' but for me, as technology and products change, these updates are so necessary.

I have been a Pirelli man for a long time (various Diablo and Super Corsas) and have not been game to switch - perhaps to my detriment. Michelin's M7RR and the new M9RR both receive favourable reports on forums but I have not read much of P5s.

I can't relay experience here, but I'll certainly follow with interest!
 

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I've been running with Pirelli Diablo Rosso III's since I got the bike and other than the short tire life have been really happy with the performance.
I to would be game in trying another type/brand of tire and welcome all the info you and others have to offer on tires.
Is there a good source of information on direct comparisons of tires? I know RevZilla, STG, and others do tire reviews but I'd like to see info comparing touring VS performance tires as far as wear, grip, sofer VS harder sidewalls, what you can expect when changing from one to another, etc
If only Rogue racing had an article!
 

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Like you I am addicted to the michelin narrow profile and the condifence you get on full lean.

But they have softened the pointed crown compared to the original pilot power & 2CT

2015HRC have you checked out www.tyretest.com?
 

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I put a new rear tire on this spring. Pirelli Diablo Rosso III to match the front since it had enough life left in it for a few more months.
I have around 1k miles on the new tire and on a ride this weekend I lost traction at moderate lean twice in the rear while cornering.
The first time, only maybe 5 minutes into the ride, was in an intersection where they have some stupid cobblestone walkway crap across the road so I chalked it up to that and the fact the tire could have been a little cold still.
2nd time, same ride maybe 40 minutes later with a plenty warm tire while getting on a freeway entrance ramp where there was newly layed (a few weeks ago) grooved cement. I again chalked it up to the condition of the road.
Now after thinking on the two instances it has me a little concerned. Lack of confidence in your tires is bad and could likely put me in a bad situation. I had been running 31psi in the rear but did bump it up to 32psi prior to that ride.
I have never experienced that much slide in the rear and has me at a little loss of confidence at this point. Not like I was pushing it hard or even close to full lean
 

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It seems some have good results with the recommended pressures and others do not at all. I for one could not bare the torture ride with high tire pressures and rear tire spin/slip.
Then again the owners manual tells you to be in 6th gear by 40mph which I can barely ride the bike as recommended due to 0 torque and throttle response let alone the constant shifting
 

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I run the michelins on 40 rear & 35 front; no lower. I tried lower pressures but did not like the handling nor the steering; I am talking about road riding.
 

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pilot power 2005>2019 on VFR & CBR (yes that long because they are so good!)
pilot power 3 on CBR 2019> (so as quick handling & leaning but hopefully better mileage)
 

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pilot power 2005>2019 on VFR & CBR (yes that long because they are so good!)
pilot power 3 on CBR 2019> (so as quick handling & leaning but hopefully better mileage)
Ah, gotcha. I’ve been using the PP & PP 2CT’s for what seems like several decades too.

I’m really between the Power RS, & Power 5, for aggressive street twisties, 95% dry riding, with a little distance riding thrown in.

I do notice the RS fronts are out of stock at my fave places to buy.
 

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Incidentally how did you find and rate PP cf PP2ct’s in terms of wear & handling?

PP3’s have a stiffer carcass, PP5’s may also do
 

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I'm running the Michelin Power RS in Fr 120/70 & Rr 190/55 on my CBR Honda and both Ducatis (same sizes). When I bought my new-in-crate leftover 2015 CBR Repsol SP in 2018 it had the Pirellis on it, which I swapped out to the Michelins within a few miles. I've run the Pirelli SuperCorsas which came as new on the 1198SP Ducati. They worked well at the limit, but EVERY time you wanted to push on them, you would need to get the sides up to temp with a few slides before they would grip well. This was even after many miles of riding to "safer" places to rip. I learned to live with them. One of my friends finally talked me trying a set of the Michelin Power Pure back then and I've been a Michelin rider since.

Oh, and I've found MY ideal cold pressures (@ ~75 deg F in garage) are 30psi Fr and 28psi Rr. At these start pressures the tires heat up quickly and grip is great start to finish. I have yet to slide them, except the rear on the Big Dog 1198SP which has 100+ lbft torque at the wheel. It will spin under heavy throttle, but the tire doesn't snap loose, it gently looses grip gradually, so you can feel it for correction long before it steps way out. The 1198SP has an early technology traction control (manual throttle, so no FBW) that retards timing and eventually cut spark to slow the rear spin. If a tire lets go sharply and completely the TC really can't keep up, so you likely crash!
 
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Incidentally how did you find and rate PP cf PP2ct’s in terms of wear & handling?
I mean, the price is right, right? :D

They wear quick.

These newer Mich’s have seemingly much more R&D.

I’d really prefer paying a lil more, have absurdly good grip & feedback, as well as considerable longer life.

After using 2 sets of Mich Road 4’s on my former ‘15 ZX14R, I was super-impressed wt their grip on the fast Sunday burns, as well as greatly increased longevity.

I figure one of the two sets I mentioned would be the better move for even more sportier riding on my ‘18 SP.
 

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Michelin Power Cup 2s. Excellent tire, No compromise. Not really good in the rain though.
 

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I meant for a weekend of racing, :p

How long to they generally last you between street n track?
2 race weekends 300 track miles at a month and a half total. Race weekends are about 3 weeks apart. I keep the race tires on in between race weekends.
 
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