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in the process of ordering a power commander for my bike but i'm not sure which one to go with. the only mods done to my bike are BMC race filter, two bros slip on, bazzaz z bomb. i have no intentions of putting nitrous,turbo or any other work on the bike so should i just go with the pc3 setup or is there definate gains in me buying the pcv or bazzaz unit?
 

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Since the PCIII and PCV are about the same price for new units, I would go with the PCV since it is newer and has features that you may want to use in the future.

As far as whether you should get a PCIII/PCV or a Bazzaz ZFi, that tends to be more personal preference. You will find members happy with either. Although, you should also consider what the dyno tuning shops in your area are able to tune or have experience with.

Personally, I have a PCIII and have had no problems with it. If the PCV would've been out when I bought my bike, I would've gotten it.
 

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ive heard that the pcv has had some problems.. i had someone tell me that 3 of them malfunctioned on him.. so he gave up and went back to the pc3.. he stated its a new product and they probably need to R&D it further to get the gremlins/glitches out..so im pc3 and ignition module...
 

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Bazzaz Z-Fi/Zafm is what I am running. A great system!!! All 8 injectors. No need for a piggy back unit, like with the PCV. It works, unlike a lot of just released PCVs that need to be modified to fit on the bike. It is fully supported for all years. Plus, the zafm is a better system than the autotune. It allows for full user control. With the autotune the system could fail and the user really would never know, until the bike started miss firing or something. I really like my system and I think you should go with the Bazzaz as well.
 

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" It allows for full user control"
What control does the other system have that ours doesn't? If you look at the facts we have more adjustability, more options and the ability to run a swtich to turn it on/off

"With the autotune the system could fail and the user really would never know, until the bike started miss firing or something"
So would any other system. At least with ours you have the option to switch to a base map if this ever happened. Yes, with other systems you have to accept the changes AFTER the ride but how do you know those values are correct and won't cause your bike to run poorly once you accept them? If you knew this you wouldn't need an Auto tune system!!!
 

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i'm using the bazzaz right now. functionality i see no difference other than they use different firmware and algorithms to essentially offer the same function and features. the bazzaz made sense to me with the quick shifter in that i don't need to have a second box somewhere, and i personally like the GUI on the bazzaz a bit better than the pc. however, i can argue that having live closed-loop fueling on the pc is nice...but i prefer the computer not to make changes for me if i'm racing...at least not with a sensor that isn't worth $1200.

anyways...both are good units. my honest opinion...get the one you can get the best deal on.
 

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that's all sales bs. both units do the same thing.
So how much experience or knowledge do you have to confirm the secondary injector theory?
If there the same thing why would power commander be introducing a module to do all 8 injectors in the future if its not required as a good thing to have (read somewhere on this forum).
Why would people setup a second power commanders to control the secondary injectors?
Anyway all i know is that its an excellent product and i am glad i went with the bazzaz setup.
 

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There is no doubt that some bikes need more fueling than what the PCIII/PCV can deliver on its own. These bikes however are ones that are using NOS or boosted applications. This is the main reason why we are doing the secondary box.

There is some truth to the video about fuel delivery and how it applies from the lowers to the uppers, unfortunatley it does not apply to any bike currently on the market! Let's say a bike is VERY lean from the factory, we're talking around 15:1 and you adjusted only the lowers versus only the uppers. It is possible to see slightly better performance adjusting the uppers due to cooling effects and vaporization. Luckily for us we have not seen a bike be nearly that lean so adjusting just the lowers offers the same performance. We have mapped every bike with just the lowers and then uppers and lowers and at the end of the day you get the same performance.
 
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