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I guess, there is a good possibility that a Frame Slider can stick out enough to save the fairings on the left if it drops on that side.

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But, if you look at the RIGHT side, I'd be hard pressed to find a Slider that can stick out more than the large Muffler.
This seems to imply that if ever the bike drops on the Right side, the exhaust will bear the brunt of it.
On the good news side of things, looks like Honda has already installed a plastic black engine cover; albeit, it is quite soft when I pressed it.


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I think that Titanium muffler is going to cost a leg and an arm to replace.

Came across this article ... may be useful for people who are looking into the same topic.

I know most people in the US prefer the louder, throatier sound of the aftermarket ones more than the smoother, softer OEM ones.
Does anyone know if there are any aftermarket mufflers that sound like the OEM one?
 

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Nothing is gonna protect the exhaust.
Your main concern is the engine case followed by fairings. Frame sliders, engine case sliders, bar ends, and axle sliders are the way to go and all designed to be replaced easily in the event of a drop or crash
 

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If you damage the exhaust in a tip over or crash it would be a perfect time to get a quality aftermarket exhaust. Besides since most riders remove the stock exhaust off rip they are available used quite readily
 

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I know most people in the US prefer the louder, throatier sound of the aftermarket ones more than the smoother, softer OEM ones.
Does anyone know if there are any aftermarket mufflers that sound like the OEM one?
Ironically the OEM is louder than almost every aftermarket exhaust at WOT.

This is why the OEM gets people kicked out of sound limited race tracks.

Akrapovic Evo is the most stock sounding of the lot.
It is quieter than the OEM at WOT, but idles almost the same

Akra EVO idle

Akra EVO WOT

Stock WOT

Spark MotoGP WOT
 

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I know most people in the US prefer the louder, throatier sound of the aftermarket ones more than the smoother, softer OEM ones.
Does anyone know if there are any aftermarket mufflers that sound like the OEM one?
I'll probably stick with factory on this bike, unless I ruin it. I like the sound of the new SP, and am looking forward to being able to quietly creep through the neighborhood at low RPM or make by earplugs useful at high RPM.

Not sure of any aftermarket that would sound like OEM. Usually that's not what people are looking for :)
 

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I think that Titanium muffler is going to cost a leg and an arm to replace.
Yes sir - $2000 before discount from Partzilla

But much cheaper used off eBay.
 

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Thanks for all the inputs.
I appreciate it.

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I like the sound of the new SP, and am looking forward to being able to quietly creep through the neighborhood at low RPM or make by earplugs useful at high RPM.
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ha ha ... me, too.

R&G has an exhaust protector ...

Yes, stock muffler probably cannot win any prizes on the looks department but the sound is 70-80% that of the ideal sound.
When the time comes, I'll ask if anyone is willing to dump theirs if I damaged mine.

In the meantime, I'm exploring all the protectors I can install for the rest of the bike.
Just noticed that the left side has a lot less fairings (compared to my 2005) and the ACG cover is protruding out & very exposed. Probably need to get a cover for that one.
 

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See, the trouble with a right side drop, you can protect the frame, you can protect the exhaust, but I invite you to take a peek at that sharp edged bracket between the muffler and the swingarm and imagine the gouge that will leave.

I will have to change my muffler eventually, I like the stockers looks and sound, I like that my neighbors don't hate me, but it is going to get me kicked out of a trackday.
 

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I think that Titanium muffler is going to cost a leg and an arm to replace.
You’re prolly one of the few that will keep the stock Ti can installed. I’m sure there are a dozen people here who will gladly sell You the stock Ti ‘zorst, on the cheap, even if it retails for $1800? (just guessing).
 

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The stock exhaust does sound spectacular at times but for me it's just a few dB shy of what I want. I love the sound of a more open breathing exhaust. Stock the engine sounds choked up until about 6k rpm (I know that's mostly due to the servo... Thinking of pulling the cables and just leaving the motor in there to not throw a code). How does it sounds with the vale open at all times? Any downside?

At some point I will probably ditch my stocker but not for at least 6 months or so. If I do I'll give it to you for half off!
 
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Yes, engine protection is probably the most important. I have the R&G race ones, think I probably would have gone with another brand in hindsight. Fit isn't really great, and although I think they'll do the job (the race version with the sliders at least) I think there's better for the money.
 

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On the good news side of things, looks like Honda has already installed a plastic black engine cover; albeit, it is quite soft when I pressed it.
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This is a US market only, sound deadening cover and offers no protection at all. You'll be removing it in order to fit any other cover.
 

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This is a US market only, sound deadening cover and offers no protection at all. You'll be removing it in order to fit any other cover.
Oh, I see. That made sense. No wonder it's soft.
 

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Sorry for my question. What means WOT?
And does the Evo Line Muffler fit on the OEM Header? I doubt it. I am trying to get the muffler street legal, but it's a pain in the ass here in Germany.
 

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Sorry for my question. What means WOT?
And does the Evo Line Muffler fit on the OEM Header? I doubt it. I am trying to get the muffler street legal, but it's a pain in the ass here in Germany.
WOT = Wide Open Throttle
 

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The stock exhaust does sound spectacular at times but for me it's just a few dB shy of what I want. I love the sound of a more open breathing exhaust. Stock the engine sounds choked up until about 6k rpm (I know that's mostly due to the servo... Thinking of pulling the cables and just leaving the motor in there to not throw a code). How does it sounds with the vale open at all times? Any downside?

At some point I will probably ditch my stocker but not for at least 6 months or so. If I do I'll give it to you for half off!
Why are you guys even bothering to change the exhaust on a stock US/Canadian bike with restricted ECU?

You are literally throwing good money after bad.

Understand the Euro/UK/Australian bikes make 20hp MORE than the US/Canadian bikes with the very same "restricted" stock exhaust system installed!

Folks ALL the restriction is in the ECU! It is NOT in the exhaust, no matter what other "more experienced tuners" tell you. There is extra horsepower to be gained by swapping exhausts - but only AFTER the ECU is flashed to Euro/UK/Aussie setup or beyond.

Flashing the ECU will also allow turning off the servo error code. So you save the cost of a Servo Buddy and gain the advantage of losing the 1lb+ of servo nonsense even if you keep the stock exhaust.
 

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I was going to mention the R & G exhaust protector but noticed it's already been posted. Shame is that it looks as if the bike is being monitored by an ankle bracelet from California State Prison! :D
 

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I was going to mention the R & G exhaust protector but noticed it's already been posted. Shame is that it looks as if the bike is being monitored by an ankle bracelet from California State Prison! :D
Hmmm ... as someone who is watching the Kardashian re-runs, I thought it looks more like her ankle bracelet ... no? :ROFLMAO:

Why are you guys even bothering to change the exhaust on a stock US/Canadian bike with restricted ECU?

You are literally throwing good money after bad.

Understand the Euro/UK/Australian bikes make 20hp MORE than the US/Canadian bikes with the very same "restricted" stock exhaust system installed!

Folks ALL the restriction is in the ECU! It is NOT in the exhaust, no matter what other "more experienced tuners" tell you. There is extra horsepower to be gained by swapping exhausts - but only AFTER the ECU is flashed to Euro/UK/Aussie setup or beyond.

Flashing the ECU will also allow turning off the servo error code. So you save the cost of a Servo Buddy and gain the advantage of losing the 1lb+ of servo nonsense even if you keep the stock exhaust.
I'm convinced that lifting the USA firmware to EU version is definitely worthwhile, assuming that people have the EU version at hand to do this in the lab.

Full custom firmware seem like chasing a moving target unless one has access to the re-flashing device, dyno and test lab.
One issue I would raise is the ability to achieve the smoothness in the torque curve like the factory versions (US or EU). I don't know about you all but I do not like bumps in the torque curves. Bumps in the torque curves means non-linear acceleration and humans cannot predict non-linear behaviors very well. One of the least selling point (for me) of the Kawasaki ZX-10R is the surprise bump over on the higher RPM side of its torque curve.

Is there a major thread in this website discussing all the pros/cons about custom ECU flashing? I'm interested to learn more.

PS: I did search for "ECU flashing" and all I got was pages of Ads from Danos. ;)
 
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