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. . . I think, from a new person's view, not knowing the history of the forum and people on it, it would be natural to think about "What if situations"
What if something goes wrong?
Things like: What if I send my ECU and I don't get it back? what if if the bike runs like crap afterwards and the tuner doesn't respond? . . .

Perhaps artthury was just trying to figure out how he could have proceed, if something did go wrong.
Fair enough point to raise, but from my reading of most of the relevant posts because of my self-interest, there is nothing remotely negative or discouraging about the product. Quite the opposite.

I'll close with this: I accept that we all go about life situations in a very different manner; some might ruffle feathers and cause adverse reactions, but where a product is openly available, we cannot criticise efforts made to evaluate such a product, but we might take issue with the 'type' or 'manner' of enquiry. I guess that was my point and I wish no ill-will or offense against anyone. (y)
 

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Wow this thread has gotten a bit off track. I don't see the need for the hard feelings though.

If I hadn't been watching the forums for the past year or two I would also be thinking "who is this RC45 fella"
 

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Wow this thread has gotten a bit off track. I don't see the need for the hard feelings though.
If I hadn't been watching the forums for the past year or two I would also be thinking "who is this RC45 fella"
And a simple search of the forum would answer that question - after all, you came to the forum to get answers to questions.

Although artthury presented his questions and inquiries in a "lawyer like" manner, causing the reactions he got from most people here, I'm thinking he might have been trying to figure out how best to proceed.

I think, from a new person's view, not knowing the history of the forum and people on it, it would be natural to think about "What if situations"

What if something goes wrong?

Things like: What if I send my ECU and I don't get it back? what if if the bike runs like crap afterwards and the tuner doesn't respond?

I know these questions might sound offensive to a business owner but bad things could happen without any bad intentions and it would be wise to at least think about them from a buyer's view.

For example, unlike my bike's ECU that can be bought for 80-100 on ebay, the new SPs are in the 1500-2000 range. That's a big risk to send in an ECU to someone and have anything go wrong.

Perhaps artthury was just trying to figure out how he could have proceed, if something did go wrong.
Sorry but I am not buying it

If people come to a forum to ask questions, then they need to be willing to accept the answers.

Forums, questions and answers are nothing new. A person can search and see whose answers are trusted and who is resolving the issues.
Searching the forum is not hard. Accepting the answers they find is apparently hard.

In this case specifically each set of more detailed and accurate answers (far more in depth and accurate than any answers provided by any other SC77 tuner IN THE WORLD - including Woolich, the company writing the popular over the counter SC77 flashing software the OTHER tuners use) was met with ever more deep and probing questions.

Each thread the @artthury participated in where I provided an answer, has been answered accurately and correctly. At some point Q&A goes beyond concerned consumer and becomes pedantic Karen. That is this point.

I am still wondering which answer I freely provided to the many questions he posed regarding the SC77 platform, planted the seed of doubt in his mind that I might not be as legit as I make my self out to be.
Which answer I provided caused him to feel the need to lecture me on the intricacies of micro-controller architecture, firmware updates and motorcycle control systems. As if I don't know or understand what I am doing or talking about?

Over the last 3 years I have turned into one of the goto persons for SC77 setup and configuration - people from ALL over the world (race teams, privates, dealers, tuners) email, message and call me to answer their questions, and solve the problems that they have not been able to solve themselves.
Am I the ONLY person with such knowledge? No, but I seem to be the easiest to find.

BTW, not a single one has ever rejected an answer or revealed that I steered them wrong. Ever.

Unless of course concerned parties really think I am playing the long con here just to take their $350 via PayPal and skip town.
 

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This will be the last response I will offer about this @RC45 topic.

And a simple search of the forum would answer that question - after all, you came to the forum to get answers to questions.
Sure, I can do that but, like what I said, you are expecting me to parse all the threads, trying to piece together all the contextual information to make sense what you said based on historical posts.
Again, why don't you just tell me about you on your website?

Sorry but I am not buying it
What are you saying, then? That I have ulterior motives? I have better things to do in life. Give me a break.

You can tell me in an Internet forum that the whole world knows about you and that they consulted with you about SC77. I'm sure that is possibly true.
But, when I searched on Google for "KCS ECU Solutions", there is NOTHING in the first page.
So, you are saying even google does not know anything about you?
Are you Jack Reacher?

I rest my case. Period.
 

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This will be the last response I will offer about this @RC45 topic.

Sure, I can do that but, like what I said, you are expecting me to parse all the threads, trying to piece together all the contextual information to make sense what you said based on historical posts.
Yes.You are an adult consumer not a kid I need to spoon feed.

Or you can simply read my technical responses directly to your questions in threads you posted.

Again, why don't you just tell me about you on your website?
Because I am quite busy without one.You are literally the first person to ask - so even if I did a cheap Wix.com at $15/month prepaid at $180 just to convince you that I know what I am talking about the $180 spend for the $350 income less PayPal fees and my ongoing support of you and your bike with updates would not be worth it.

What are you saying, then? That I have ulterior motives? I have better things to do in life. Give me a break.
No, you are just being a Karen. Some customers are like that. In these cases its better to turn the business down.

You can tell me in an Internet forum that the whole world knows about you and that they consults with you about SC77. I'm sure that is possibly true.
So you don't believe what people tell you on an internet forum, then why bother joining and asking questions if you reject the answers?
But some how a website stating the same thing will be more legit?

But, when I searched on Google for "KCS ECU Solutions", there is NOTHING in the first page.
So, you are saying even google does not know anything about you?
Are you Jack Reacher?

I rest my case. Period.
No, actually quite the opposite really.
A simple Google search of "rc45 cbr1000rr ecu tuning" returns me right at the top of the list - links on Woolich with the most shared SC77 map, links to 1000rr dot net with some of the many threads listed right there.

Considering we are discussing my bona fides under the forum user name RC45, it actually makes sense to search for that name. Yeah?

If you really wanted to work with me, you would - but clearly you don't trust me or my answers. Good luck in your search.

(y):coffee:
 

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Back on track, this is what I went with after the T-REX broke twice and did more damage to the bike. The T-REX will BREAK (snap like a twig) even on a low speed lowside. A very bad thought product.
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Back on track, this is what I went with after the T-REX broke twice and did more damage to the bike. The T-REX will BREAK (snap like a twig) even on a low speed lowside. A very bad thought product. product.
As much as I would like to get a set of frame sliders for my CBR, something in my head keeps telling me that many of them on the market that have a plastic part which is attached with a single bolt to the frame won't do much.
Is the single (what seems to be a 5mm or 6mm) bolt strong enough to resist the forces especially when you add the length of the actual slider as leverage? I would worry about the bolt snapping off and the have the remaining part be stuck in the engine or wherever it goes into.

The various reviews all say looks great, easily installed, which doesn't mean much for the actual functionality of the product.

The one you bought and posted pictures of, looks a lot better. In the event of a crash, the forces from the slider are transferred to the bike across multiple bolts.
And, If the bolt that holds the black slider part bends or breaks, great. it's doing it's job of taking the beating and won't cause damage to the bike.
 

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As much as I would like to get a set of frame sliders for my CBR, something in my head keeps telling me that many of them on the market that have a plastic part which is attached with a single bolt to the frame won't do much.
Is the single (what seems to be a 5mm or 6mm) bolt strong enough to resist the forces especially when you add the length of the actual slider as leverage? I would worry about the bolt snapping off and the have the remaining part be stuck in the engine or wherever it goes into.

The various reviews all say looks great, easily installed, which doesn't mean much for the actual functionality of the product.

The one you bought and posted pictures of, looks a lot better. In the event of a crash, the forces from the slider are transferred to the bike across multiple bolts.
And, If the bolt that holds the black slider part bends or breaks, great. it's doing it's job of taking the beating and won't cause damage to the bike.
General opinion is that the sliders bolted directly to the engine mount, also referred to as "cut sliders" because you must cut the fairing for fit, is for track use and higher speed crashes as they are a solid mounting point. You won't find many at the track without them and for good reason, they have a good record of doing their job in a crash.

"no cut" frame sliders are typically known for protection with drops or low speed crashes as they have brackets for mounting and are considered weaker and have been reported to cause "more" damage than they protected against

What I have read and found first hand is it really depends on the crash and not necessarily the sliders. I have the T-rex "no cut" frame sliders on my 15 and they held up superb and did an excellent job of protecting my fairings and frame in a 50+mph get off. Others have claimed they dropped their bike in the driveway with the same sliders and the mounting bracket took a chunk out of the frame.

The way I see it on a track bike I wouldn't think twice and go with cut sliders. The odds of having a low side are good at some point as you start pushing your limits. You will most likely have track plastics (fairings) on a track only bike and cutting them isn't a big deal. These sliders are probably the best bet in the event of a get off.
On a street bike it really is personal preference and I preferred not to cut up my expensive to replace OEM fairings. Usually a crash on the street is much worse than on a track (due to cars, curbs, poles, signs, etc) so the no cut style is really for drop protection
 

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I went with the no-cut R&G version and they say their r&d dept used a metal that will more likely bend than break.
 

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I went with the no-cut R&G version and they say their r&d dept used a metal that will more likely bend than break.
Oo. The pessimistic Nigel would say that 'more likely' is highly speculative and seems to illustrate that no 'real incident' testing has been done. :unsure: (y)
 

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Oo. The pessimistic Nigel would say that 'more likely' is highly speculative and seems to illustrate that no 'real incident' testing has been done. :unsure: (y)
Well, I can hope for the best and be prepared for the worst.
 

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Looks like testings were done in real races ...


I'm significantly less worried about these static components (sliders, engine covers) that do not ctrl the bike, they are just there to passively receive impact.
 
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Does any one know of a decent Lever Guard vendor to recommend?

I do want to highlight that the OEM Clutch/Brake Lever is less than $30 each.
So, does a Lever Guard that cost more than the Lever make sense?
 

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I don't think you need them unless you do a lot of traffic filtering or riding in close-knit groups.

If you're thinking to use it as protection IF dropping the bike, I'm not so sure a lever guard would take the impact. Just my thoughts - I haven't used them.(y)
 

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Bar-end lever guards are not designed for impact/fall protection. They're mainly to prevent inadvertent lever bumps on the track. They look cool though.
 

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I see ... then, I will skip those. The Italian ones do have a very cool effect. ha ha /
 

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As much as I would like to get a set of frame sliders for my CBR, something in my head keeps telling me that many of them on the market that have a plastic part which is attached with a single bolt to the frame won't do much.
Is the single (what seems to be a 5mm or 6mm) bolt strong enough to resist the forces especially when you add the length of the actual slider as leverage? I would worry about the bolt snapping off and the have the remaining part be stuck in the engine or wherever it goes into.

The various reviews all say looks great, easily installed, which doesn't mean much for the actual functionality of the product.

The one you bought and posted pictures of, looks a lot better. In the event of a crash, the forces from the slider are transferred to the bike across multiple bolts.
And, If the bolt that holds the black slider part bends or breaks, great. it's doing it's job of taking the beating and won't cause damage to the bike.
I hope I will never test these. I did test the T-REX twice unfortunately...but hey, about 15-16 track days in a year, 2 spills, I think it is a good record. LOL. One on me 100%, the other one on literally shitty tires that’s on me too since I should have figured it out. The financial ouch to fix it after the high speed spill has me dedicated to not drop it again. Lol.
You will be surprised how strong the engine bolt is. On a straight slider IF THE BOLT ITSELF BREAKS, I will say it is very severe high speed impact with other damage as well. It will not break. The issue is with offset sliders the slider will break at the bolt. And that plastic or aluminum slider will take severe abuse. It will grind down, while protecting the bike.
My rear swing arm aluminum spool was ground about one inch, bolt did not break, spool did not break. And that is a much weaker bolt than the engine mount. T-REX? Snap! ...
 

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I hope I will never test these.
You can say that again.

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One on me 100%, the other one on literally shitty tires that’s on me too since I should have figured it out.
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This teaches me to be very careful with what tires I use even though I don't go at speeds like you track gurus do in curves. I have read about this quite often.
 
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