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@nigelrb ,
My Kim Kardashian ankle bracelet is shipped.
Where do you think I can find her to get her to autograph it :ROFLMAO: so my SP exhaust will feel even hotter?
 

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Yep frame sliders should be mounted directly to the frame/engine mount bolts. In those cases they work very well because the heavy forces are acting in the direction the bolt is the strongest. You don't want a no cut slider with some silly bracket because now it's much more likely the bracket will break, the bracket will bend and hit something, or the bolt will bend/break.

My favorite are the old school cylindrical hockey puck kind. I wore through a couple of those on my old 1994 cbr600f2. Another $10 on ebay and I was back in business!

On my SC77 it's just too nice to be chancing it. I don't have any crash protection and honestly I don't want to slap a bunch of Sh*t onto it.
 

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Literally the only difference between the no-cut R&G ones vs. the cut ones, is R&G supplies new black fairing pieces with holes pre-drilled with the no-cut version. The sliders and mounting hardware are identical. No brackets or anything like other brands and way less PITA.

When we bought a set for my wife's VFR, they supplied a new coolant bottle with a hole for the bolt to go through. A lot of their stuff is kind of gimmicky but they put a lot of thought into some of it.
 

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Scorpion shorty here, and I would not have it any other way. About 6Lbs weight savings, barely louder if any than OEM (I have the baffle in) and cleans the looks SO NICE. PLUS, on a 90mi track spill the only damage to it was the inside of the tip bend when it hit the swing arm, and had to be retightened at the bracket. This pic is after the spill.
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Nice!
It does look more buttoned down.
 

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As much as I would like to get a set of frame sliders for my CBR, something in my head keeps telling me that many of them on the market that have a plastic part which is attached with a single bolt to the frame won't do much.
Is the single (what seems to be a 5mm or 6mm) bolt strong enough to resist the forces especially when you add the length of the actual slider as leverage? I would worry about the bolt snapping off and the have the remaining part be stuck in the engine or wherever it goes into.

The various reviews all say looks great, easily installed, which doesn't mean much for the actual functionality of the product.

The one you bought and posted pictures of, looks a lot better. In the event of a crash, the forces from the slider are transferred to the bike across multiple bolts.
And, If the bolt that holds the black slider part bends or breaks, great. it's doing it's job of taking the beating and won't cause damage to the bike.
The following doesn't have much to do with protecting and SP, but since I had experienced some doubts about frame sliders, I figured I write a follow up with my latest experience.
So I ended up buying a Shogun 750-3819, no cut slider for 2006-2007 CBRs.

So the bolts that hold the bracket to engine are M12 mm bolts, so the off-set bracket attaches to the frame and engine with that fat bolt.

The slider part attaches to the bracket with an M10 bolt. Again, fairly thick.

So overall, I think it the bike falls and slides on a flat surface with the wheels leading, like a low side, the slider will do it's job.
Will be unpredictable the bike slides with tank leading or if the slider catches on something.


I attached the instructions that I found on the web. The package didn't come with instructions.

Installation took about 30 minutes.


Also, as for the amount of protection that these could provide, here's the disclaimer from Shogun:

READ CAREFULLY Shogun cannot guarantee that they will protect your motorcycle from any extent of damage. Shogun frame sliders are really meant to help possibly save the frame from damage in the event of a crash. Because Shogun frame slider products have been very successful in saving cases, bodywork, levers and so on in the past, customers just assume sometimes you can put the product on and no damage will happen. The fact is, some crashes result in little or no damage to the motorcycle and some bikes are destroyed. It’s kind of like a bumper on a car sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, it really depends on all the different forces applied during the incident. We’ve seen bikes crash at 100 mph with little damage and some at 15 mph with major damage.
 

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^^^
In short: 'Shogun Motorsports is not responsible for any damage occasioned to your motorcycle.'

Still, as I often say: 'It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.'
 

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The following doesn't have much to do with protecting and SP, but since I had experienced some doubts about frame sliders, I figured I write a follow up with my latest experience.
So I ended up buying a Shogun 750-3819, no cut slider for 2006-2007 CBRs.

So the bolts that hold the bracket to engine are M12 mm bolts, so the off-set bracket attaches to the frame and engine with that fat bolt.

The slider part attaches to the bracket with an M10 bolt. Again, fairly thick.

So overall, I think it the bike falls and slides on a flat surface with the wheels leading, like a low side, the slider will do it's job.
Will be unpredictable the bike slides with tank leading or if the slider catches on something.


I attached the instructions that I found on the web. The package didn't come with instructions.

Installation took about 30 minutes.


Also, as for the amount of protection that these could provide, here's the disclaimer from Shogun:

READ CAREFULLY Shogun cannot guarantee that they will protect your motorcycle from any extent of damage. Shogun frame sliders are really meant to help possibly save the frame from damage in the event of a crash. Because Shogun frame slider products have been very successful in saving cases, bodywork, levers and so on in the past, customers just assume sometimes you can put the product on and no damage will happen. The fact is, some crashes result in little or no damage to the motorcycle and some bikes are destroyed. It’s kind of like a bumper on a car sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, it really depends on all the different forces applied during the incident. We’ve seen bikes crash at 100 mph with little damage and some at 15 mph with major damage.
I bought this same one for my 2005 CBR but have not had the chance to install it yet.
Waiting for my new fairings and then do it one shot this winter together with the flushed-mounted signals.
 

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The following doesn't have much to do with protecting and SP, but since I had experienced some doubts about frame sliders, I figured I write a follow up with my latest experience.
So I ended up buying a Shogun 750-3819, no cut slider for 2006-2007 CBRs.

So the bolts that hold the bracket to engine are M12 mm bolts, so the off-set bracket attaches to the frame and engine with that fat bolt.

The slider part attaches to the bracket with an M10 bolt. Again, fairly thick.

So overall, I think it the bike falls and slides on a flat surface with the wheels leading, like a low side, the slider will do it's job.
Will be unpredictable the bike slides with tank leading or if the slider catches on something.


I attached the instructions that I found on the web. The package didn't come with instructions.

Installation took about 30 minutes.


Also, as for the amount of protection that these could provide, here's the disclaimer from Shogun:

READ CAREFULLY Shogun cannot guarantee that they will protect your motorcycle from any extent of damage. Shogun frame sliders are really meant to help possibly save the frame from damage in the event of a crash. Because Shogun frame slider products have been very successful in saving cases, bodywork, levers and so on in the past, customers just assume sometimes you can put the product on and no damage will happen. The fact is, some crashes result in little or no damage to the motorcycle and some bikes are destroyed. It’s kind of like a bumper on a car sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t, it really depends on all the different forces applied during the incident. We’ve seen bikes crash at 100 mph with little damage and some at 15 mph with major damage.
On offset sliders, it is NOT the bolt that will break. It IS the bracket. 3 times proof here, in 2 track spills.... last one broke BOTH.

In addition, and I hope I save anyone from buying the TREX, the bad, awful design and huge brick size of them, crushed the metal radiator return line on one side, and made a dent on the frame on the other.
 

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I bought this same one for my 2005 CBR but have not had the chance to install it yet.
Waiting for my new fairings and then do it one shot this winter together with the flushed-mounted signals.
just read the instruction about which side takes the longer slider and which side the longer bolt.

Also, the right side has a spacer. if you just pull the engine hanger out it might fall and go somewhere.
I jammed a shop cloth under the spacer before removing the bolt. it held the spacer in place during the whole operation.
 

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just read the instruction about which side takes the longer slider and which side the longer bolt.

Also, the right side has a spacer. if you just put the engine hanger out it might fall and go somewhere.
I jammed a shop cloth under the spacer before removing the bolt. it held the spacer in place during the whole operation.
Good tips. Thanks!
 

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Also bear in mind that with frame sliders using engine mount bolts (or replacments), be sure and follow the service manual order of bolt torquing if the slider instructions don't include this.

The order of engine mount bolt torquing is critical to the CBR/engine frame mount integrity.
 

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okie dokie
 
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