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Ok so when i got my bike from the dealer i went with the quick shifter as an option and they installed it for me.
When i go through the function screen and select the quick shifter option it doesn't allow me to get into the next screen to set it up.
Have they stuffed it up somehow?
Any guys here who have put the honda one onto their own bikes here?
 

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There is an initialization procedure that takes 1-2 minutes (and activates the quick shifter). It is in the installation instructions (available on the Canadian accessories site: http://cssportal.css-club.net/honda/MCA/TERMS010.aspx)

You need the SCS Short connector if you want to do it yourself (~$20 on ebay), but your dealer should have done it as part of the install.

Once initialized, the settings are available in the menu.
 

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There is an initialization procedure that takes 1-2 minutes (and activates the quick shifter). It is in the installation instructions (available on the Canadian accessories site: http://cssportal.css-club.net/honda/MCA/TERMS010.aspx)

You need the SCS Short connector if you want to do it yourself (~$20 on ebay), but your dealer should have done it as part of the install.

Once initialized, the settings are available in the menu.
I agree that the dealer should have done it!
I'll ask them why they didn't, when i got the box the quick shifter came in it had the old parts in there but if there was originally instructions with it then they weren't in there.
 

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Ok i took it back to them and they initialised it and all good.
The only bad thing i could say about it is when i'm going WOT and shifting up the bike jerks quite noticeably everytime.
Feels like driveline lash almost, is there anyway to dial this out?
 

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I had the same experience initially. I've only used it on the race track, but try setting the shifter effort level in the settings menu... I set it to easiest/lightest (I think it is setting 1 of 3). I'm now not having an issue with up or down shifts.

I did notice at first that it took some getting used to. You need to give it a good crisp motion. I think initially I was rolling off the throttle a little, and also not being crisp with lever effort. I was seeing a bunch of false neutrals and missed up-shifts and it turned out that I wasn't using enough force.
 

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Thanks for the reply mate.
Upshifting on mine is so harsh that it is literally upsetting the chassis going up through the gears.
I have tried all the sensitivity settings so far but that hasn't really made any difference.
It's like there is a half second hesitation between the gear going in and the drive to the rear wheel!
It's going in for it's 1st service this week so i'll get then to check it out and see what they think.
And are the service intervals really 8000 miles?! Thats 12000ks twice what was in the zx10r manual!
 

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And are the service intervals really 8000 miles?! Thats 12000ks twice what was in the zx10r manual!
8000 mile oil/filter changes have been in the manual since at least 2009

My 2017 S1 quickshifts like butter, but it's factory. I even upshift while leaned over.
 

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One other thing to check for the hell of it - there is a little dot on the shift-shaft that should be aligned with the gap in the shift rod connector/knuckle. You may want to make sure your dealership aligned it. If they forgot to activate it, maybe they didn't pay attention to how it was aligned.
 

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8000 mile oil/filter changes have been in the manual since at least 2009

My 2017 S1 quickshifts like butter, but it's factory. I even upshift while leaned over.
Less money going to the dealership = more money for tires! :grin2:
 

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One other thing to check for the hell of it - there is a little dot on the shift-shaft that should be aligned with the gap in the shift rod connector/knuckle. You may want to make sure your dealership aligned it. If they forgot to activate it, maybe they didn't pay attention to how it was aligned.
Good point mate, i'll check that out in the morning after i install my radiator guard.
 

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Well the dot on the shift shaft lines up so we can rule that out, ill measure the shift rod length as it's supposed to be 265mm.
Is there no timing adjustment anywhere to change the millisecond timing?
 

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I have almost 1,000 miles on my SP1. I also notice that my upshifts are not always butter smooth. Sometimes the bike seems to pause slightly when coming back on with the power after the upshift. Not too bad but enough to notice.

The down shifts are ALWAYS butter smooth. Have not had one yet. Other than a few times when I was not forceful enough when going from 2nd to 1st and I pop it into neutral, but that has been my fault.

I have not tried any of the optional settings. I nay try and see if that helps me.
 

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My experience was very similar - upshifts were not as smooth, although it seemed to loosen up after 500 miles or so. Not sure if the issue was the bike or me. I had several instances with not being forceful enough with the upshift. Setting the sensitivity seemed to help - full throttle upshifts are pretty smooth now. Downshifts have been good - even banging through a couple gears going into a tight corner. Although I did notice the feel going from 3->2 is different than 4->3. Not sure how to explain it, but it was different enough on the track that it made me question if the bike was going into gear. Just a quirk that was odd at first, but now I don't think I notice. Again, maybe it is just break-in related and will smooth out over time.
 

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My experience was very similar - upshifts were not as smooth, although it seemed to loosen up after 500 miles or so. Not sure if the issue was the bike or me. I had several instances with not being forceful enough with the upshift. Setting the sensitivity seemed to help - full throttle upshifts are pretty smooth now. Downshifts have been good - even banging through a couple gears going into a tight corner. Although I did notice the feel going from 3->2 is different than 4->3. Not sure how to explain it, but it was different enough on the track that it made me question if the bike was going into gear. Just a quirk that was odd at first, but now I don't think I notice. Again, maybe it is just break-in related and will smooth out over time.
Could be inherent to the overall design philosophy in the software that Honda is using - see Guy Martin's 2017 TT experience for live on TV example of most extreme results of "hard to find quick shift assisted gear while at speed on a CBR1000RR SP(2)."

An assistant that is supposed to improve maneuvers at high speed on the edge should not require second guessing or "careful use".

It needs to just work. The idea of a track orientated bike needing 500 miles of break-in for a critical feature to work makes little sense.
 

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Could be inherent to the overall design philosophy in the software that Honda is using - see Guy Martin's 2017 TT experience for live on TV example of most extreme results of "hard to find quick shift assisted gear while at speed on a CBR1000RR SP(2)."

An assistant that is supposed to improve maneuvers at high speed on the edge should not require second guessing or "careful use".

It needs to just work. The idea of a track orientated bike needing 500 miles of break-in for a critical feature to work makes little sense.
I have the sensitivity set to 1 which is the most sensitive, and i'm being as fast as i can on the lever, which admittedly does take some getting used too.
It doesn't feel too bad going from 5th to 6th, but definitely going from 2nd through to 5th, not WOT but not far off, no matter how fast i try to shift the front of the bike definitely dips before getting drive, it literally is like time stops for the book for a half second or so.
I had my friend who has a s1000rr ride it and his bike has the bmw quick shifter on it and he just said it is really not right!
 

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Mine is 2011, so not really sure about 2017, but had false neutral few times too. After put in shift shaft support, never have that problem anymore.

At least on 2011, the shifter shaft itself is pretty long, when we shift, i suspect the shaft itself flexes and make transmission selector miss gears.Just a thought.

Nobody want to try those shaft support?
 

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Mine is 2011, so not really sure about 2017, but had false neutral few times too. After put in shift shaft support, never have that problem anymore.

At least on 2011, the shifter shaft itself is pretty long, when we shift, i suspect the shaft itself flexes and make transmission selector miss gears.Just a thought.

Nobody want to try those shaft support?

I suspect you might be onto something. Still in my babying the transmission phase of breaking the bike in, so no issues yet, but a shaft support is on my wishlist. Seems a good idea, anyway.
 

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Could be inherent to the overall design philosophy in the software that Honda is using - see Guy Martin's 2017 TT experience for live on TV example of most extreme results of "hard to find quick shift assisted gear while at speed on a CBR1000RR SP(2)."

An assistant that is supposed to improve maneuvers at high speed on the edge should not require second guessing or "careful use".

It needs to just work. The idea of a track orientated bike needing 500 miles of break-in for a critical feature to work makes little sense.
I think you might be right re: design decisions. I had the chance to go on an extended ride today on the roads and the shifter felt great at normal road-speed shift points. One thing I did do and is probably unrelated - I changed over to synthetic oil (Maxima Pro-Plus 10W30). The gearbox seemed much smoother in-general and had zero shifting issues. 1->2 was a little rough a few times during mild acceleration, but I would consider that normal.

The bike is brilliant on the road - smooth and comfortable and really easy to ride vs. other liter bikes I have owned.

--Rob
 
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