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I am sure most of you either know or have read the latest shootout from Road Racing World Magazine. For those that have not, here are some of the results.
Best lap - Kawasaki - 1:20:108
Honda - 1:20:544
Suzuki - 1:21:092
Yamaha - 1:21:184

Best Lap Average - Honda

Most HP - Kawasaki - 162.36
Suzuki - 159.89
Honda - 157.83
Yamaha - 152.98

Most TQ - Suzuki - 79.50
Honda - 76.80
Yamaha - 76.61
Kawasaki - 75.79

Subjective Point total
1. Honda
2. Kawi
3. Suz
4. Yami

Objective point total
1. Honda
2. Kawi
3. Suz
4. Yami

Grand Point total
1. Honda 158.06 pts
2. Kawi 154.15 pts
3. Suz 150.41 pts
4. Yami 146.90 pts.

Once again Honda holds the crown.
 

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With a Z-bomb it may have been on top of the HP test
That may be true but the R1 is also detuned like the blade. I do not know how much it will make when it gets its own sort of Z-bomb
 

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You wouldn't know from AMA and WSBK results so far!
Thats true. On that note though, I think Suzuki, Yamaha and Ducati paide to have the best riders. Just my 2 cents
 

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All of the restriction is in the exhaust. No need for a Yamaha Z-bomb, you need new pipes and a PCV, which most people will do.
The fly by wire throttle on US Spec bikes backs off from 100% to 75% as revs reach 12K on up to 13750. There is plenty of Youtube videos showing it on the dyno with a laptop connected to the PC. You can clearly see the TPS backing off as the revs go up even though the dyno operator is holding the throttle WFO at 100%. This appears to be uniqe to just the US model.

So it is more than the exhaust.
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once again it proves true that numbers on paper do not mean everything. the
over all on-bike experience is what should make the difference. Too many people will look at the results of this shootout and even though the blade is the clear winner, just the hp numbers alone will prompt them to buy the 10 or the gsxr......To me that just shows how big of a squid you are when you buy a bike just for hp numbers. There are probably very few people on this site and on the road te can come anywhere close to the limits of a liter bike........oh well, at least the journalists got it right. Honda all the way!!:thumbsup:
 

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once again it proves true that numbers on paper do not mean everything. the
over all on-bike experience is what should make the difference. Too many people will look at the results of this shootout and even though the blade is the clear winner, just the hp numbers alone will prompt them to buy the 10 or the gsxr......To me that just shows how big of a squid you are when you buy a bike just for hp numbers. There are probably very few people on this site and on the road te can come anywhere close to the limits of a liter bike........oh well, at least the journalists got it right. Honda all the way!!:thumbsup:
Just so you know, RRW doesn't just go by dyno numbers. They actually employ professional racers to run these liter bikes around an actual track and actually record lap times and average lap times as real quantitative data for the actual comparison. True, some people will buy the bike simply based on hp figures, but others will buy on track lap times.

Wait, are we in agreement? Hard to tell if you were being sarcastic or serious. Honda does rule!
 

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Just so you know, RRW doesn't just go by dyno numbers. They actually employ professional racers to run these liter bikes around an actual track and actually record lap times and average lap times as real quantitative data for the actual comparison. True, some people will buy the bike simply based on hp figures, but others will buy on track lap times.

Wait, are we in agreement? Hard to tell if you were being sarcastic or serious. Honda does rule!
Well if thats the case they won't be buying the Honda as it was "almost" a 1/2 second slower than another bike for the "fastest" lap.

Lets see 1/2 second on a 20 lap race works out to a 10 second lead.
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once again it proves true that numbers on paper do not mean everything. the
over all on-bike experience is what should make the difference. Too many people will look at the results of this shootout and even though the blade is the clear winner, just the hp numbers alone will prompt them to buy the 10 or the gsxr......To me that just shows how big of a squid you are when you buy a bike just for hp numbers. There are probably very few people on this site and on the road te can come anywhere close to the limits of a liter bike........oh well, at least the journalists got it right. Honda all the way!!:thumbsup:
So your saying you don't put a pipe or PC3 on your bike to increase your HP. Stock HP is enough?
 

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Just so you know, RRW doesn't just go by dyno numbers. They actually employ professional racers to run these liter bikes around an actual track and actually record lap times and average lap times as real quantitative data for the actual comparison. True, some people will buy the bike simply based on hp figures, but others will buy on track lap times.

Wait, are we in agreement? Hard to tell if you were being sarcastic or serious. Honda does rule!
haha yes sir we are in agreement....thats why i made the comment about the jourmalists getting it right. :thumbsup:
 

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Well if thats the case they won't be buying the Honda as it was "almost" a 1/2 second slower than another bike for the "fastest" lap.

Lets see 1/2 second on a 20 lap race works out to a 10 second lead.
:th_SmlyROFL:
the honda did however have the best average lap time which could mean that it is easier to ride fast for a period of time .......?
 

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So your saying you don't put a pipe or PC3 on your bike to increase your HP. Stock HP is enough?
everyone is alway going to want for more horsepower, thats part of the game we play. All im saying is that there are so many more important factors to consider when choosing a new bike. handling, fit/finish, reliability (i am aware of the oil consumption from 08) rideability on the street, rideability on the track, whether or not it inspires confidence, comfort, price, and over all look.......(I know th 08/09cbr has debatable looks too) and if after you consider all those things you choose a buell 'cause its right for you then fine....I just know people that buy based on hp alone and I think that is pretty silly:thumbsup:
 

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I subscribed and read it online. Its the June edition.
 

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The fly by wire throttle on US Spec bikes backs off from 100% to 75% as revs reach 12K on up to 13750. There is plenty of Youtube videos showing it on the dyno with a laptop connected to the PC. You can clearly see the TPS backing off as the revs go up even though the dyno operator is holding the throttle WFO at 100%. This appears to be uniqe to just the US model.

So it is more than the exhaust.
:beat:

Only going by what I heard by an owner a while back, haven't followed it up because I don't care, but thanks for the info.
 

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the honda did however have the best average lap time which could mean that it is easier to ride fast for a period of time .......?
with out reading the test I would assume as normal the honda is easier to ride for the beginner or less experienced rider, so out of the 4-5 people they get to ride the bike only 2-3 are really fast guy/girls so the avg for all the riders is taken into account and the honda (and I agree 100%) is going to have faster laps compared to the zx10 as the experience level goes down. The fastest laps being 1/2 second faster on the 10 is telling for the serious track guys only, most people would be better off on the Honda. For me I am a little faster on the 10 not so much because of skill but since I am not a 130 pound light weight, the suspension and feel on the 10 suits me better and the extra hp helps as well, When modded with the normal mods the hp difference is larger then one would expect since the 10 really responds well with pipe and power commander, far better then the CBR.
 

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with out reading the test I would assume as normal the honda is easier to ride for the beginner or less experienced rider, so out of the 4-5 people they get to ride the bike only 2-3 are really fast guy/girls so the avg for all the riders is taken into account and the honda (and I agree 100%) is going to have faster laps compared to the zx10 as the experience level goes down. The fastest laps being 1/2 second faster on the 10 is telling for the serious track guys only, most people would be better off on the Honda. For me I am a little faster on the 10 not so much because of skill but since I am not a 130 pound light weight, the suspension and feel on the 10 suits me better and the extra hp helps as well, When modded with the normal mods the hp difference is larger then one would expect since the 10 really responds well with pipe and power commander, far better then the CBR.
makes total sence...I guess the more experience you have (especially track) the more you will be able to take advantage of the hp difference....good point:thumbsup:
 
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