[Bosston]

Knowledge isn’t “given”, it is learned. Figure it out or pay someone who can.

I don't agree. Knowledge is given. that's why you go to school, to be given knowledge. But I do see your point also.

Not everyone who has an idea and wants to implement it has the same approach. Some people go to school/MBA to learn, some will try to raise $$ and hire a team, some will plow ahead and figure things out as they go.

So there are many ways to get there.

IMO, if I saw a situation were my experience and previous knowledge could help someone who is not in conflict with my interests, I'll give it. If they take it great, if not, no problem. In general, people who give sincere advise to others have nothing to loose, only respect to gain. So what's the harm.

I asked a bunch of questions about supply chain / how the tuning market works to see what the heck is going on here. I still don't understand the details but from what I have read, there's nothing drastically different here that with many other businesses.

This is why in the commercial world there are such concepts as Original Manufacturer, reseller, distributor, commissions, territory rights, contracts, etc.

Having said that, my point is we have experienced and successful [elders] here who I bet have been through many situations like this and could pass on (give) their knowledge with no determent to them.

A thriving / successful turning chain (developers, tuners, testers, dynos) will be good for everyone.

 

[299rocket]

The post right after this was someone that joined 15 hours ago and it’s their first post. I think I see what you mean here.

Not sure what you mean here, I don't think I have disrespected anyone, and I have joined this forum because one of my YT videos was posted here and while going through the posts I've stumbled upon this thread and saw what was written. If there is a rule against me not agreeing with something on my first post let me know. If you have any doubt about who I am and if I am real or not, drop me a PM and we can arrange a call, so you can confirm my identity and perhaps change you mind on the subject, or change mine, who knows.
I can also question your activity here, 1 month around, posts likes and comments on everything mentioning BT, interesting 👀

 

[JA-SP]

Well, I wouldn't expect my first post on this forum to be in such a topic, but have my 2 cents:
Simplified timeline of events:

• MCU busts his a** off to figure out a way to flash the SC82, something none of the big companies could do so far;
• MCU tests the tool with selected parters to ensure a progressive and reliable development of the platform;
• MCU directly or indirectly allows other businesses that are +/- direct competitors to have the tool (not bragging anywhere about it);
• Other business with a broader reach, probably much more capital and marketing, start throwing what seems false information around spreading that they where the engineers behind the 1st ever solution for the SC82, that the other tuners are not on the same level;
• Probably this other business will profit 1000% more than the original developer MCU;

So now you guys dare to say that it would be cool to send MCU's work over to Dimsport, having it replicated so Dimport can get bigger and MCU disappears in the sands of time as if it never existed? Something is wrong with the world.
I would be angry myself, it's ridiculous that someone places so much effort to develop a solution for an Honda, and it seems that there is no consideration for him in an Honda forum, praise the other lord, but don't forget that all they care about is profit and bmws, and I wouldn't judge MCU if he did not worked on future Hondas.

I believe the bigger issue here is that MCU didn't had a huge support behind, and a developer is not necessarily good in marketing and expanding a business, mostly when working by himself.
@PuffTheMagic Thank you for what you are doing, I have nothing against the other businesses mentioned and I know they are good in some fields, but I can't agree with this whole situation, and I really hope that it will not be a blocker for you and that you can expand even further.

This is more or less where I stand on the subject.

As far as I can tell, there wouldn't be any flashed SC82s right now if not for MCU's work. Eventually, probably, but not this soon.

If the developers don't make money, then there's little incentive to develop. If there are no tools, then the tuners aren't going to be able to make money either. I don't know what the licensing deals are like, but I think a per-ECU price is fair. Was just odd to me to go through an entire video without mention of who made it all possible, but I suppose there might be some bitterness since the tuner didn't get the license he wanted.

Whatever the case, the developers will likely just be more selective with who they provide tools to. Hoping everyone gets all the success they deserve.

 

[Troy Gleason]

Not sure what you mean here, I don't think I have disrespected anyone, and I have joined this forum because one of my YT videos was posted here and while going through the posts I've stumbled upon this thread and saw what was written. If there is a rule against me not agreeing with something on my first post let me know. If you have any doubt about who I am and if I am real or not, drop me a PM and we can arrange a call, so you can confirm my identity and perhaps change you mind on the subject, or change mine, who knows.
I can also question your activity here, 1 month around, posts likes and comments on everything mentioning BT, interesting 👀

I registered my vin on this forum. So what if it’s not really my vin?

I was simply saying that the same can be said for anyone here and that his claim can easily be about himself as well. You happened to be a prime example. Nothing against you or your motives. Basically saying he's a troll and Ducati has nothing to do with Honda.

 

[JA-SP]

BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

I get a lot of questions regarding the BrenTuning Flash. I wanted to dedicate a thread to explaining the details and steps it took to get the flash from an idea to the motorcycle. BrenTuning already has an amazing reputation with the Ducati Panigale. I haven't spoke to one person that was...

ducatiforum.com

Brentuning Handheld for RSV4 and Tuono

AF1 Racing is a top-rated authorized Aprilia, Vespa, Piaggio, Moto Guzzi, Zero, Energica, Ural and SWM

www.apriliaforum.com

I don't have a link to a thread in an S1000RR forum (still reading through these), but I know S1000RR members were warning Ducati members about BrenTuning.

I don't know you, but you come off the same way as the person in the two threads above. You don't seem unbiased at all.

I like to make sure the people that develop these tools are able to put food on the table and have already paid for a license from MCU Innovations. I haven't flashed my bike yet, however if there are any problems I will be sure to share them after giving MCU a chance to work it out. However, based on other members here, I don't believe I'll need to do that.

Just the post by the shop saying they squeezed 40whp out of an old, stretched bike would make me extremely skeptical. The threads that can easily be found in other communities only reinforces my skepticism.

 

[Troy Gleason]

BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

I get a lot of questions regarding the BrenTuning Flash. I wanted to dedicate a thread to explaining the details and steps it took to get the flash from an idea to the motorcycle. BrenTuning already has an amazing reputation with the Ducati Panigale. I haven't spoke to one person that was...

ducatiforum.com

Brentuning Handheld for RSV4 and Tuono

AF1 Racing is a top-rated authorized Aprilia, Vespa, Piaggio, Moto Guzzi, Zero, Energica, Ural and SWM

www.apriliaforum.com

I don't have a link to a thread in an S1000RR forum (still reading through these), but I know S1000RR members were warning Ducati members about BrenTuning.

I don't know you, but you come off the same way as the person in the two threads above. You don't seem unbiased at all.

I like to make sure the people that develop these tools are able to put food on the table and have already paid for a license from MCU Innovations. I haven't flashed my bike yet.

Just the post by the shop saying they squeezed 40whp out of an old, stretched bike would make me extremely skeptical. The threads that can easily be found in other communities only reinforces my skepticism.

I started unbiased by showing a video to the community. Now that one tuner actually is helping with advice and the other is trying to argue with me and other people here, there's a level or respect and professionalism that fades away from MCU. I don't think people should be expecting plugs for tools that were paid for in full and I don't agree with a lot of what he said. Couple that with the fact that there's no data, videos or anything on the site he has regarding his tuning is also something I'm taking into account.

Maybe he's just sensitive or presenting himself in a bad light but either way, it's not looking good to me and that's my opinion. You're welcome to your opinion as well. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean mine is any less valid or that you have to go on a witch hunt to connect imaginary dots from years old posts.

 

[JA-SP]

I started unbiased by showing a video to the community. Now that one tuner actually is helping with advice and the other is trying to argue with me and other people here, there's a level or respect and professionalism that fades away from MCU. I don't think people should be expecting plugs for tools that were paid for in full and I don't agree with a lot of what he said. Couple that with the fact that there's no data, videos or anything on the site he has regarding his tuning is also something I'm taking into account.

Maybe he's just sensitive or presenting himself in a bad light but either way, it's not looking good to me and that's my opinion. You're welcome to your opinion as well. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean mine is any less valid or that you have to go on a witch hunt to connect imaginary dots from years old posts.

I've already connected dots.

YOU ARE TROY GLEASON.

The same nutswinger from the other threads.

 

[Troy Gleason]

I've already connected dots.

YOU ARE TROY GLEASON.

The same nutswinger from the other threads.

This is comical now. You don't have any substance to add to your argument and now you're saying I bought a bike just to post a YT video.

 

[JA-SP]

This is comical now. You don't have any substance to add to your argument and now you're saying I bought a bike just to post a YT video.

Thanks. I was waiting for your response.

Just like in other communites.

And no, I'm not Ryan. Would be weird to join over a year ago right after putting down the deposit on my RR-R just to later promote some software.

I work in the middle east. Haven't even been in the US in 4+ years.

 

[PuffTheMagic]

 

[Troy Gleason]

Thanks. I was waiting for your response.

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Just like in other communites.

And no, I'm not Ryan. Would be weird to join over a year ago right after putting down the deposit on my RR-R just to later promote some software.

I work in the middle east. Haven't even been in the US in 4+ years.

That's your smoking gun?? Do you have any actual evidence? Not just the word retired? How many hours were you on the case for that? And what does that have to do with your other posts? You're just hoping anything sticks at this point but facts are facts about the tuning, yet because you know I'm right, you desperately want to make 2+2=5

 

[JA-SP]

That's your smoking gun?? Do you have any actual evidence? Not just the word retired? How many hours were you on the case for that? And what does that have to do with your other posts? You're just hoping anything sticks at this point but facts are facts about the tuning, yet because you know I'm right, you desperately want to make 2+2=5

Wow, even the same defense as in other communities where you were caught so easily.

How many hours on the case? I literally spent a second or two. Google "retired_tk" and it's on the first page. Try it yourself!

Google Search

Is your defense that it's purely coincidence the guy that is here shilling/defending BrenTuning happens to come up with the exact same screenname as a Youtube channel for a known shiller/defender of BrenTuning?

Just like when you kept using teh1337ftw as your username in the past:
teh1337ftw User Profile | DeviantArt

You'd expect someone not to keep reusing screennames when trying to lie to a community.

BrenTuning might very well have the ultimate tune for the RR-R, however with your activities here and on other communities he'll never get any money out of me.

 

[299rocket]

Well, at this point all I can do is wish all the best luck to everyone in the business, I just wish that at some point there will be a litle more fairness on the industry, so people will be judged by what they bring to the industry and final user.
I saw this game multiple times before with alpha, rs2e, xwerks, woolich and even slr... All comes down to marketing, that’s the real business nowadays.

 

[able duc]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Missed the point bro........

I told you the thread from the 1299 Ducati forum in 2019 would be good reading

 

[Bosston]

We should call this guy in to sort all this out.

 

[Troy Gleason]

Wow, even the same defense as in other communities where you were caught so easily.

How many hours on the case? I literally spent a second or two. Google "retired_tk" and it's on the first page. Try it yourself!

Google Search

Is your defense that it's purely coincidence the guy that is here shilling/defending BrenTuning happens to come up with the exact same screenname as a Youtube channel for a known shiller/defender of BrenTuning?

Just like when you kept using teh1337ftw as your username in the past:
teh1337ftw User Profile | DeviantArt

You'd expect someone not to keep reusing screennames when trying to lie to a community.

BrenTuning might very well have the ultimate tune for the RR-R, however with your activities here and on other communities he'll never get any money out of me.

I don’t think you were ever a candidate for tuning in the first place. It’s obvious who you’re trying to derail the thread for. Still absolutely nothing except the word retired here. And absolutely nothing about the actual topic of the thread either.

 

[JA-SP]

I don’t think you were ever a candidate for tuning in the first place. It’s obvious who you’re trying to derail the thread for. Still absolutely nothing except the word retired here. And absolutely nothing about the actual topic of the thread either.

If you truly believe you're going to convince anyone here that you aren't Troy Gleason, you're delusional.

Never a candidate for tuning? What do you mean by that? You were never an "unbiased member just sharing videos" as you claimed.

 

[able duc]

I'm starting to grin like I did in 2019 hahaha 🍿

 

[Troy Gleason]

If you truly believe you're going to convince anyone here that you aren't Troy Gleason, you're delusional.

Never a candidate for tuning? What do you mean by that? You were never an "unbiased member just sharing videos" as you claimed.

How is the video biased? Did you even watch it? Tell me how it’s biased because now you’re lashing out at 650ib.

 

[JA-SP]

How is the video biased? Did you even watch it? Tell me how it’s biased because now you’re lashing out at 650ib.

I don't know if you intentionally obscure the comments you quote or if you simply don't comprehend them. You claimed that you were unbiased and have nothing to do with BrenTuning, yet you clearly do. I haven't said a word about 650ib. Stay focused.