[HP17]

Just purchased the woolich tuning kit to derestrict my CBR among other things. One question (which I'm sure will be followed by others): Which map should I copy for best power/performance.

I noticed the Japanese ETV table is not exactly the same as Europe/Australia map. The Thailand map is even more screwed than the USA map!

Also, should I copy over just ETV, or Fuel and ignition tables also? Anything else?
Oh and finally why do some bin files have more available tables than others?

Oh and for fun here is an ETV table I made. I was going to try this but the Japan/Europe ETV map looks very similar so I will probably just use that... but I do want to experiment with custom mapping. Should be fun.

 

[Bevo]

Do a wheelie

 

[HP17]

It's hailing in San Diego right now maybe when the weather is nice

 

[Bevo]

It's hailing in San Diego right now maybe when the weather is nice

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[John Harris]

Hi HP17,
I am interested in the answers as well since I was going to send my ECU off for reprogramming but then thought about Dealership re-flashes messing up my tables and I may decide to make other changes to the bike that necessitates more changes.

One question for you, did you need to pay any extra to get access to the bin files others place on the Woolrich forum?

Have a good one.

 

[HP17]

@John Harris no you do not need to pay any extra for access to those files. They are all included. I believe the map shares are included as well but I'm not sure about that one.

 

[reeceorama]

It's hailing in San Diego right now maybe when the weather is nice

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I’ll be in SD checking on my boat Thursday. Weather looks like shit but make her easy to wash. When Covid is out I’ll park my SP2 there for a season.

 

[Saul.]

Hi HP17,
I am interested in the answers as well since I was going to send my ECU off for reprogramming but then thought about Dealership re-flashes messing up my tables and I may decide to make other changes to the bike that necessitates more changes.

One question for you, did you need to pay any extra to get access to the bin files others place on the Woolrich forum?

Have a good one.

No dealership in the US will ever reflash any SC77 ECU as part of Honda directed services..
Honda does not do service this way. So you don't have to worry about that.

With Woolich you will only get access to shared bin files of the type of ECU you have licensed from them

 

[John Harris]

I did have Honda require a reflash on the ECU of a '12 civic to be able to re-register in California. For my '17 SP, California would not allow me to re-register my bike until a gas-tank filler cap was replaced as Honda had an issue with vapor leaks and CARB put a restriction on it. If Honda found an emissions issue that required a reflash of the ECU of the bike California SMOG police would require a re-flash or refuse to renew registration. I have an issue on my 93 Corvette where I have to retune the fueling, after building a killer engine, so it will pass smog so I can register it in California.

It's funny, you can see trucks with huge black Clouds behind them and they can still register, and they allow vehicles from Mexico to drive polluters over the border, but modify your own vehicle in California and you may be in for trouble.

That is why I think I want the Woolrich software to save off any modified bin file just in case. And I see the Pirelli Diablo Super Corsa tire is no longer made in 190/50 only 190/55 so the diameter grows 18 mm and might need to change something in the ECU to compensate.

So the Shared maps that others have done, for the 17-19 SC77, are or are not available when you buy the software? And if not what does it take to get access to them. I always find it interesting to see what others have done and speculate as to the why of the changes.

As an aside and showing what you can do with software, 20 years ago JET had a chip for the 93 Corvette, it was supposed to improve performance, forget what they called it but a compare with the stock chip showed only the fan turn on temp was changed, no ignition advance or fuel table changes, their $200 chip was a scam, at least we can see that the changes for the SC77 are real.

 

[Bevo]

If Honda found an emissions issue that required a reflash of the ECU of the bike California SMOG police would require a re-flash or refuse to renew registration.

Honda's not going to fix jack unless it's a bike under warranty or recall. If it's a bike not meant for sale in California that somehow ended up in CA, you're doubly screwed.

 

[Saul.]

I did have Honda require a reflash on the ECU of a '12 civic to be able to re-register in California. For my '17 SP, California would not allow me to re-register my bike until a gas-tank filler cap was replaced as Honda had an issue with vapor leaks and CARB put a restriction on it. If Honda found an emissions issue that required a reflash of the ECU of the bike California SMOG police would require a re-flash or refuse to renew registration. I have an issue on my 93 Corvette where I have to retune the fueling, after building a killer engine, so it will pass smog so I can register it in California.

It's funny, you can see trucks with huge black Clouds behind them and they can still register, and they allow vehicles from Mexico to drive polluters over the border, but modify your own vehicle in California and you may be in for trouble.

That is why I think I want the Woolrich software to save off any modified bin file just in case. And I see the Pirelli Diablo Super Corsa tire is no longer made in 190/50 only 190/55 so the diameter grows 18 mm and might need to change something in the ECU to compensate.

So the Shared maps that others have done, for the 17-19 SC77, are or are not available when you buy the software? And if not what does it take to get access to them. I always find it interesting to see what others have done and speculate as to the why of the changes.

As an aside and showing what you can do with software, 20 years ago JET had a chip for the 93 Corvette, it was supposed to improve performance, forget what they called it but a compare with the stock chip showed only the fan turn on temp was changed, no ignition advance or fuel table changes, their $200 chip was a scam, at least we can see that the changes for the SC77 are real.

You aren't saving the tune from your ECU. The process doesn't work that way. You will be writing a new image to the ECU every single time.
Woolich flashed ECUs cannot be read back, they are essentially locked from reading. They can only be written to.

Within the Woolich software suite you would save your configuration and that is then what you would write back to your ECU if it was ever written over. But you have no need to worry, as no Honda dealer will be reflashing an SC77 ECU under direction of Honda the company. To return to a bike to a stock California compliant status, they will sell you a new ECU if it was required.
Any ECU flashing a dealer carries out would be on their own and not under Honda instruction. WHo knows what the future holds for future models, but the SC77 an older aren't going to be re-flashed under Hondas guidance.

With Woolich you only get access to shared tune files of the type of ECU you have licensed from them Since you would be licensing the 17-19 CBR1000RR that's all you can see. To see the 2013-2016 you'd need to license that model of ECU.

 

[John Harris]

Looking at the Mapshare tab of the Woolrich website for the 17 CBR1000RR is see lots of Maps, an impressive amount by you.
With the draconian laws that you cannot modify the exhaust over a certain db level, California may crack down, and if you are found without the required CAT then a hefty fine is likely.
Likely to be enforced in the future since people like my neighbor put on short muffs or a straight pipe which might not be a problem except he sits out front of his house and revs the bike, at 6 am. He is clueless.
So I want to get the maximum out of my bike without being annoying or getting tagged for illegal parts.

 

[HP17]

That is why I think I want the Woolrich software to save off any modified bin file just in case. And I see the Pirelli Diablo Super Corsa tire is no longer made in 190/50 only 190/55 so the diameter grows 18 mm and might need to change something in the ECU to compensate.
You won't be able to compensate for different tire diameters through the Woolich software. RC45 can help you with that though.
So the Shared maps that others have done, for the 17-19 SC77, are or are not available when you buy the software? And if not what does it take to get access to them. I always find it interesting to see what others have done and speculate as to the why of the changes.
They are available/included when you buy the kit for the 17-19 SC77. It is interesting looking at the map shares and comparing them to stock maps from different regions. I have been doing that quite a bit while I wait for the hardware to come in. I think I am going to start with the Japan/Euro maps, then try Smartdaves fuel and ignition maps to boot. Finally I will take it to a dyno to make sure my AFR's are where they should be, as every motorcycle is unique.

 

[HP17]

Looking at the Mapshare tab of the Woolrich website for the 17 CBR1000RR is see lots of Maps, an impressive amount by you.
With the draconian laws that you cannot modify the exhaust over a certain db level, California may crack down, and if you are found without the required CAT then a hefty fine is likely.
Likely to be enforced in the future since people like my neighbor put on short muffs or a straight pipe which might not be a problem except he sits out front of his house and revs the bike, at 6 am. He is clueless.
So I want to get the maximum out of my bike without being annoying or getting tagged for illegal parts.

Living in CA does suck as an enthusiast. No smog for motorcycles is a god-send but if that comes to an end, shoot, I may need to finally get out of this state!

 

[HP17]

Today I successfully read and wrote to my ECU. It took some difficulty getting the USB K V3 device to connect but once that was sorted all went well.

The flash feels great, lots of power, BUT, I have one major issue: The wheelie control vs TC level setting DID NOT WORK. The first time I gave it gas in 1st the front end rose a bit but then BAM! The TC/WC light flashed and the bike brought the front end down QUICK. Much harsher than usual/pre flash. Later in the ride I tried 2nd gear thinking maybe the bike thought the tire slipped the first time and that's why the bike brought it down but NOPE, it did the same thing. And keep in mind these are smooth roll on power wheelies not clutch-ups

Screenshot attached of my settings. I had T set to 1 or 0 the whole ride. Thanks.

My backup plan is to just set WC1 to all zeros (Like WC0). That will have a close enough effect to what I want to do...

 

[John Harris]

My hardware from Woolich arrived and I installed the software. First thing I am doing is reading the ECU and then save off the stock bin file. It is taking 101 minutes to do that. Could have checked MapShare to see if it already exists but a least I will know the bin file I save off is correct for the bike. Have to keep a battery charger on the bike for that long of having the bike lights on.

 

[HP17]

My hardware from Woolich arrived and I installed the software. First thing I am doing is reading the ECU and then save off the stock bin file. It is taking 101 minutes to do that. Could have checked MapShare to see if it already exists but a least I will know the bin file I save off is correct for the bike. Have to keep a battery charger on the bike for that long of having the bike lights on.

Awesome! It took me about an hour and a half to read the stock ecu. Battery tender is definitely a must! It's nice to have the stock read saved for future reference

Thankfully writing only takes about 10 minutes!

 

[Saul.]

That read you took is really for Woolich benefit, not yours. Its how they harvest unknown ECUs from the field. You read it and then if they don't already have it in the library its sent off to Australia to be deciphered.

If you restore your ECU to stock, you'll get the stock bin file that is already in the Woolich library.

 

[John Harris]

Unfortunately I had to do the read twice, the first time the computer, near the end, went into sleep mode so I had to disable sleep mode and do it again, then but a save to my hard drive and another copy to my SD flash memory. I am now poking around the stock bin file settings and a few MapShare files to see what I want to do. And still learning how the software works. Unfortunately their isn't detailed instruction on how to use the software, even with the video tutorials, gets you part way there but it is semi-intuitive so I will keep poking around. Also the install instructions for the harness to the Data Link Connector shows it next to the battery, after not finding it I looked it up in the factory manual and found it is in the tail section behind the seat, but you still have to remove the seat to put it on the battery charger so no time lost.

 

[HP17]

Yea for me it was a little intimidating because there is always the concern of bricking the ecu! I think I've got a handle on it now though so feel free to post up any questions.