Good info in the video!
Moderator edit: Bren video removed
Moderator edit: Bren video removed
Troy Gleason
Troy Gleason=Fraud
It is pretty wild how perfectly the S1000RR and CBR1000RR-R overlap at the top end. There will probably be times around town I wish I had the extra low-end power that the S1000RR has, but overall I think I'll be quite satisfied. Still prefer the Fireblade, of course.
Thanks to everyone who played a part in cracking the ECU and tuning these. While the cost of the bike is still a bit high compared to the competition, it's a lot more palatable un-nerfed.
Thanks to everyone who played a part in cracking the ECU and tuning these. While the cost of the bike is still a bit high compared to the competition, it's a lot more palatable un-nerfed.
Cool video.
can someone explain this to me. All the people offering tunes, say "we are developing something" or we "have developed"
Now, with the info posted in the other thread by PufTheMagic, getting into the CPU is not something every shmo can do. Need software engineering and some hacking skills.
What are these guys talking about when they say "we developed"?
Are they taking someone else's, like what @PuffTheMagic has and develop a map?
Who makes the dongle that plugs into the ECU
who "figures out how to unlock the CPU"? is it the same people who make the connector?
who figures out what to program into the CPU? is that what each tuner does?
This market must be a mix of Hardware / Software engineers / hackers + people who know how engines work and make the maps, etc. I have a hard time believing that a single tuner (like danos or brent) do all of it by themselves.
I'm so curious to know what the supply chain is like in the "tuner" market?
can someone explain this to me. All the people offering tunes, say "we are developing something" or we "have developed"
Now, with the info posted in the other thread by PufTheMagic, getting into the CPU is not something every shmo can do. Need software engineering and some hacking skills.
What are these guys talking about when they say "we developed"?
Are they taking someone else's, like what @PuffTheMagic has and develop a map?
Who makes the dongle that plugs into the ECU
who "figures out how to unlock the CPU"? is it the same people who make the connector?
who figures out what to program into the CPU? is that what each tuner does?
This market must be a mix of Hardware / Software engineers / hackers + people who know how engines work and make the maps, etc. I have a hard time believing that a single tuner (like danos or brent) do all of it by themselves.
I'm so curious to know what the supply chain is like in the "tuner" market?
This is all speculation...
I'm assuming they are talking specifically about developing the tune. They are a lot more complex now than a decade or two ago, so it would take a fair amount of effort to develop one. Especially in the case of the SC82 that came gimped from the factory...
I do believe more credit should be given to the people that made it possible to even have the tools possible to develop a tune. In my opinion, breaking into the ECU takes more effort since you're essentially trying to do something that efforts have been made to inhibit.
Both are work and deserve credit. Would be nice to see these tuners at least gave credit to people that created the tools their work depends on, but I suspect they worry about losing work by mentioning where they can conveniently flash their bikes from home. Tuning is still going to give the best results, but a base tune is still significantly better than factory in this case.
Curious to know more behind-the-scenes as well.
I'm assuming they are talking specifically about developing the tune. They are a lot more complex now than a decade or two ago, so it would take a fair amount of effort to develop one. Especially in the case of the SC82 that came gimped from the factory...
I do believe more credit should be given to the people that made it possible to even have the tools possible to develop a tune. In my opinion, breaking into the ECU takes more effort since you're essentially trying to do something that efforts have been made to inhibit.
Both are work and deserve credit. Would be nice to see these tuners at least gave credit to people that created the tools their work depends on, but I suspect they worry about losing work by mentioning where they can conveniently flash their bikes from home. Tuning is still going to give the best results, but a base tune is still significantly better than factory in this case.
Curious to know more behind-the-scenes as well.
Talk is cheap....... for someone trying to write code (some of us are waiting for a good remote SC77 solution) and build some sort of business model all this sh-t must be driving him mad. For all the haters piss off and move onto something else there is a bit of bad blood about all this flashing with vested interests as well as vulture mentality.
The retired TK fella may have a bit too much time on his hands, most retired people turn up at your business right on lunchtime because they have there's much earlier because retirement bores you shitless so you have lunch early so you can pester every other poor sole.
And CBR-SP you spoke about others posting drivel, congratulations on yours
The retired TK fella may have a bit too much time on his hands, most retired people turn up at your business right on lunchtime because they have there's much earlier because retirement bores you shitless so you have lunch early so you can pester every other poor sole.
And CBR-SP you spoke about others posting drivel, congratulations on yours
There was a lot of stuff on the 1299 Ducati forum in 2019 about BT tunes and fake posters teh1337ftw as an example talking up Brent Tuning products but got caught out (that forum is a harsh environment) It's quite interesting reading when you get into it.
On pages 5 of the post it starts to unravel and I did start to grin a bit, hope you enjoy.
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On pages 5 of the post it starts to unravel and I did start to grin a bit, hope you enjoy.
BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)
I get a lot of questions regarding the BrenTuning Flash. I wanted to dedicate a thread to explaining the details and steps it took to get the flash from an idea to the motorcycle. BrenTuning already has an amazing reputation with the Ducati Panigale. I haven't spoke to one person that was...
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Well, I wouldn't expect my first post on this forum to be in such a topic, but have my 2 cents:
Simplified timeline of events:
So now you guys dare to say that it would be cool to send MCU's work over to Dimsport, having it replicated so Dimport can get bigger and MCU disappears in the sands of time as if it never existed? Something is wrong with the world.
I would be angry myself, it's ridiculous that someone places so much effort to develop a solution for an Honda, and it seems that there is no consideration for him in an Honda forum, praise the other lord, but don't forget that all they care about is profit and bmws, and I wouldn't judge MCU if he did not worked on future Hondas.
I believe the bigger issue here is that MCU didn't had a huge support behind, and a developer is not necessarily good in marketing and expanding a business, mostly when working by himself.
@PuffTheMagic Thank you for what you are doing, I have nothing against the other businesses mentioned and I know they are good in some fields, but I can't agree with this whole situation, and I really hope that it will not be a blocker for you and that you can expand even further.
Simplified timeline of events:
- MCU busts his a** off to figure out a way to flash the SC82, something none of the big companies could do so far;
- MCU tests the tool with selected parters to ensure a progressive and reliable development of the platform;
- MCU directly or indirectly allows other businesses that are +/- direct competitors to have the tool (not bragging anywhere about it);
- Other business with a broader reach, probably much more capital and marketing, start throwing what seems false information around spreading that they where the engineers behind the 1st ever solution for the SC82, that the other tuners are not on the same level;
- Probably this other business will profit 1000% more than the original developer MCU;
So now you guys dare to say that it would be cool to send MCU's work over to Dimsport, having it replicated so Dimport can get bigger and MCU disappears in the sands of time as if it never existed? Something is wrong with the world.
I would be angry myself, it's ridiculous that someone places so much effort to develop a solution for an Honda, and it seems that there is no consideration for him in an Honda forum, praise the other lord, but don't forget that all they care about is profit and bmws, and I wouldn't judge MCU if he did not worked on future Hondas.
I believe the bigger issue here is that MCU didn't had a huge support behind, and a developer is not necessarily good in marketing and expanding a business, mostly when working by himself.
@PuffTheMagic Thank you for what you are doing, I have nothing against the other businesses mentioned and I know they are good in some fields, but I can't agree with this whole situation, and I really hope that it will not be a blocker for you and that you can expand even further.
I don't agree. Knowledge is given. that's why you go to school, to be given knowledge. But I do see your point also.
Not everyone who has an idea and wants to implement it has the same approach. Some people go to school/MBA to learn, some will try to raise $$ and hire a team, some will plow ahead and figure things out as they go.
So there are many ways to get there.
IMO, if I saw a situation were my experience and previous knowledge could help someone who is not in conflict with my interests, I'll give it. If they take it great, if not, no problem. In general, people who give sincere advise to others have nothing to loose, only respect to gain. So what's the harm.
I asked a bunch of questions about supply chain / how the tuning market works to see what the heck is going on here. I still don't understand the details but from what I have read, there's nothing drastically different here that with many other businesses.
This is why in the commercial world there are such concepts as Original Manufacturer, reseller, distributor, commissions, territory rights, contracts, etc.
Having said that, my point is we have experienced and successful [elders] here who I bet have been through many situations like this and could pass on (give) their knowledge with no determent to them.
A thriving / successful turning chain (developers, tuners, testers, dynos) will be good for everyone.
BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)
I get a lot of questions regarding the BrenTuning Flash. I wanted to dedicate a thread to explaining the details and steps it took to get the flash from an idea to the motorcycle. BrenTuning already has an amazing reputation with the Ducati Panigale. I haven't spoke to one person that was...
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Brentuning Handheld for RSV4 and Tuono
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I don't have a link to a thread in an S1000RR forum (still reading through these), but I know S1000RR members were warning Ducati members about BrenTuning.
I don't know you, but you come off the same way as the person in the two threads above. You don't seem unbiased at all.
I like to make sure the people that develop these tools are able to put food on the table and have already paid for a license from MCU Innovations. I haven't flashed my bike yet, however if there are any problems I will be sure to share them after giving MCU a chance to work it out. However, based on other members here, I don't believe I'll need to do that.
Just the post by the shop saying they squeezed 40whp out of an old, stretched bike would make me extremely skeptical. The threads that can easily be found in other communities only reinforces my skepticism.
Well, at this point all I can do is wish all the best luck to everyone in the business, I just wish that at some point there will be a litle more fairness on the industry, so people will be judged by what they bring to the industry and final user.
I saw this game multiple times before with alpha, rs2e, xwerks, woolich and even slr... All comes down to marketing, that’s the real business nowadays.
I saw this game multiple times before with alpha, rs2e, xwerks, woolich and even slr... All comes down to marketing, that’s the real business nowadays.
Because we share “retired” but teh1337ftw is all Troy goes by on forums? 🤔
I know it’s hard but you might want to use your brain here. Also, what does that picture have to do with anything? I don’t see retired anywhere on it?
I know it’s hard but you might want to use your brain here. Also, what does that picture have to do with anything? I don’t see retired anywhere on it?
So you’re basing your entire identity argument... on “coincidence”. Sigh. Anyway, like I said, it seems like you have it out for me or just save face for Ryan but neither is working. The thread is still about tuning and OP is completely unbiased. You admitted it yourself. Swing and miss.
Like I said, enjoy bumping the thread to the top of the page and making the video more visible though. Quite a good marketing strategy lol.
Like I said, enjoy bumping the thread to the top of the page and making the video more visible though. Quite a good marketing strategy lol.
Could someone create a poll for this thread?
Do you think Retired_TK is Troy Gleason
O Yes
O No
I think we will be the very first Forum (Aprilia, S1000, Honda, Faceboo, etc.) to listen to argument of plaintiff and defendant and create a jury to weigh the evidence provide by both sides and decide what's true.
We Honda people are so civil.
Do you think Retired_TK is Troy Gleason
O Yes
O No
I think we will be the very first Forum (Aprilia, S1000, Honda, Faceboo, etc.) to listen to argument of plaintiff and defendant and create a jury to weigh the evidence provide by both sides and decide what's true.
We Honda people are so civil.
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